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FRANKEL RUNS IMPOSSIBLY FAST.
FRANKEL RUNS IMPOSSIBLY FAST.
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Selective Megs,come on now.
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McNae is commenting on The Sussex Stakes run of 2011 when the figure was below Gp1 standard.
Mordin commenting on the Lockinge 2012. Mordin was saying the same as McNae before he reviewed the Lockinge. |
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Wrong.
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trips..morning mate
 but seriously, what has run 2nd and 3rd behind him? |
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That's fair enough John_Cherry, the game is all about opinions and we can respect each others and the right to them but still disagree and hopefully not feel the need to be abusive with it.
I would point out though on another matter than Immortal Verse went into last season's QEll off of a hat trick including the latter 2 being Gr1s with the last a 1L beating of Goldikova, which puts her closely matched with Canford Cliffs and yet Immortal Verse finished 3½L behind Excelebration and 7½L behind Frankel in the QEll. |
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Morning MEGS,daylight is 2nd.
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anyway, you know us, we both like to throw a bone to the pack of hungry wolves, even if we picked all the meat off the bone first
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There is a review of the Lockinge and 2 of the Sussex.
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Enjoy your day Megs and sell some expensive coins.
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sussex was a walk , trot, sprint home, should never been given such a high rating for running only 1 1/2 furlongs
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Roger,got it yet?
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immortal verse beat goldikova EASED at the line, u think thats as good as goldikova ever was?
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okay didnt notice Mordins Sussex review, thought it was pasted twice. So Mordin loves the Sussex run, McNae thinks it was below standard. Can easily happen, two figures guys with two totally different views. It all boils down to their standard times. One different to another.
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Whose figs would you place more store by?
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The figures never lie says Mac,well someone's do.
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fwiw i dont believe canford travelled with his usual zest in the sussex but regardless frankel is a better horse than he ever was imo.
i dont feel canford gave his running that day but he cant beat frankel anyway. the queen anne should be thrilling  |
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neither. Your own are always the best if you know your stuff.
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Are you a speed man Roger,if so what are your opinions on Frankel?
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You could say the same about Canford Cliffs when beating Golikava but in both races Goldikava ran her race regardless.
And "eased at the line" as in stopped pushing for the final 2 strides when already a length up anyway. |
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Look,it is simplistic,but Mcnae needed his speed figs to tell him how good Camelot was.You don't need a weatherman to tell you when it's p1ss1ng down.
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ima u cannot judge goldikova thru that one race is all im saying, thats NOT as good as she is, she'd already beat immortal verse several lengths previous. collerateral form is just once small piece of the puzzle as u know.
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Frankel is the best i have seen and the craptain's figures can tell me he is no good.I know different.
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good, dont get so beat up about someone elses figures.
nobody can prove anything. relax. |
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i am. But havent many turf ones done yet, so no opinion yet.
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It's not the figs,it is the way he slyly digs at the horse's ability which annoys me.No need for it.He is wrong.
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He is a contrarian and stirrer,always looking to avoid the obvious.If BC was English he would be laying into her.I can't stand the arrogant know nothing.
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Much Speculation is made about Frankel's unknown abilities to handle middle and near middle distance events and much of this pressure comes from the traditional but possibly wrong belief that middle distance races are the mark of the best equine athletes and lets face it when you watch the old video footage of a superstar like Secretariat its easy to fall for this belief but Frankel now at Four years of age is carry more weight and quite possibly is the unknown top sprinter of the world that is being forced to run like a Typical classic horse to suit the Sports expectations but for me real running is all about speed and not horses that can come off the pace as other horses tire and I can safely say that Frankel though he may get undone at 11 furlongs plus would beat any horse in the world at 6f-8f and that is his true game, not holding him back for the longer trips as he is crying out to explode into his legendary front,forward fast pace and hates being towed along under heavy restriction and his jockey had the right idea in the guineas to just let him go...
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But then again its not unknown for horses to develop into stayers as they mature and Frankel may have one last trick up his sleeve.
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He has more tricks than a clown's pocket.
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I am sure he thinks Frankel is the best but he won't back down now.Can't stand losing face.
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Doesnt matter where they put frankel no one will go near him citing any possible excuse , the juddmonte is a top class race won by some of the finest animals in turf history and if they have a horse capable they will take him on or avoid him if they havent .
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I get what you are saying ilikewavingatbuses but don't see why we can't judge Goldikova on that performance, as she ran her race and looked as good as when being beaten by the same distance as Canford Cliffs 2 races previous to that run and had won in between those 2 runs and was then narrowly beaten by Dream Ahead at 7f in the race after.
It was also the only time Immortal Verse and Goldikova have met as far as I'm aware. |
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Maxypup seething again because evryone else knows what a dipstick Mordin is except poor Max.nap
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Btw Maxypup.........if there are going to be new laws about porkie pies........you will be stuck for something to say.
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There will be and you will be the first exposed.NAP.
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I have no opinion on Mordin,good or bad.I was just pointing out the difference between speed figure exponents.G-T,you will be exposed as a liar,abuser and bully.I will make sure of it.NAP.
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Enjoy your prison sentence.
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