It's a joke how you lot treat Black Caviar
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I stopped posting on the aus forum because you all came over here,no other reason.It,s so dull over there.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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They didn't all come over here Trigger it's just Mugsy.
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I know why you stopped posting, you know why you stopped posting, Noah in his ark with the barn animals even knows why you stopped posting
you're my little bitch and will forever be in debt to me for the lessons you have learnt |
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Megsy IS the Oz forum.
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Wannabe Aussie
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how about you start paying me some fkn respect, you're in debt to me, start paying it back by showing me some respect
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Even worse,he's an aussie who pretends he isn't....
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJLIiF15wjQ
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By: This user is online. educeee
Date Joined: 08 Feb 11 Add contact | Send message When: 07 Jun 12 17:18 Joined: Date Joined: 08 Feb 11 | Topic/replies: 4,551 | Blogger: educeee's blog SHE'S THE BEST YOU'VE EVER SEEN correction HE'S THE BEST YOU'VE EVER SEEN  |
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Missed a bit Ed.
Black Caviar will face the worst field she has ever raced against here," Messara said. "There is no chance she'll get beat if she arrives without problems. Zero. These guys over here are kidding themselves, it is almost a joke." |
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I wonder how much this big mouth is prepared to put down?
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educeee
if we're not the best, who is? definately isn't you lot I've answered that one for you before edunce but your troubles with retaining information combined with ignoring what you don't like to see has resulted in you asking the question once again, but I'm quite charitable and so am more than happy to answer for you again with the exact same answer. It's impossible to say considering most of the sprinters from all over the world hardly ever meet and if an Aussie horse wins a Gr1 at home, comes here and wins a Gr1 and is then a fairly well beaten 3rd in another Gr1 here, then a beaten 7th in another Gr1 here, then goes to Japan and gets beaten in a Gr2 and then wins a Gr1 there (maybe that seems familiar) does that entitle it to be considered the best sprinter in the world? If winning 3 and losing 3 with a total of 7 UK horses and one Japanese finishing in front of it, because that's what Takeover Target did in 2006 and only had Aussie rivals for the first of those wins and in fact lost 2-1 in a head to head with Les Arc alone over here, a horse that started that season off a rating of 96 when winning class 2 races worth from £11k on the AW at Wolverhampton in January! I could give you a similar profile for the other Aussie winners but hopefully you get the picture andyway. educeee i'm a genuine kind of guy, i'll show others about as much respect as they show me I think it's downright disrespectful to completely disregard any australian sprinters wins and only focus on their defeats, I can guarantee a large sum of those defeats were at Newmarket mugboy66 cannot even acknowledge our sprinters are world class, it's not 1 or 2 who have come to Europe and won at ascot, it's about 5 or 6.. this cannot go un-noticed and anyone who fails to notice this can only be classified as a mug Yeah that really looks as if you are a respectful type.  So anyway which part of: Yes I've seen wins from Takeover Target (1 from 8 and only 1 from 6 at Ascot), Choisir (2 from 3), Miss Andretti (1 from 2, both Ascot) and Scenic Blast (1 from 2, both Ascot) but I've seen them lose far more often and make it 5 wins from 15 starts Did you somehow manage to interpret as me completely disregarding any Australians sprinters wins? Oh and is it really about 5 or 6 or is it less than that but you just thought you would bump it up a little for effect? Or did the use of the word "about" give you a little poetic licence? How about naming them for us just to clear it up as I can think of 4 individual horses already named but 5 race wins and with 4 of those being at 5f and every one of those was later beaten at 6f. I've also told you already that only 3 of the 15 defeats were at Newmarket, which is one-fifth or 20% (maybe you had sand in your eyes from all that head burying) so you can't actually "guarantee a large sum of those defeats were at Newmarket" can you?  |
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Ignoring the jibbering bile from of a couple of the resident turdburglars ,I'll address this post toward the seeming
majority of normal folk on here who are looking forward to seeing Black Caviar race in England. The sprinting - staying debate regarding quality is futile. Modern day Australian racing is centred around sprinters, sprinter-milers. Modern day English racing is centred around stayers (and jumpers?) Neither one is superior....... simply different. I have been watching races in Australia for more than 40 years. I am a hard marker.........one or two season wonders need not apply. I have seen very, very few champions. This one is different. A freak. Enjoy. |
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The old sprinter-miler raises it's head again TF.
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I will enjoy with my even money bet safely secured.
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Ladies and Gentlemen of the forum
may i present to you Horse Racings GREATEST WORLD WIDE STAR AND PHENOMENOM T H E M I G H T Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  |
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Hail the KING
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No Coronation or Jubilee required.
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Sprinter-Miler......
Trigger, what are aussie friends mean my that is Sprinter = Failed miler.... |
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lol @ these idiots claiming she's a failed miler, find me the mile race she contested in please
if she bolts up at Ascot, she should be the highest rated horse in the world because pure and simple, she would have beaten absolutely every horse who can ever pose a threat in absolutely any circumstance Frankel, well he won't even travel to Ireland she's the best, I don't care what half you twits say, you're deluded and can't see past your bias to understand how good she is, as soon as you can get past your bias you might make a few dollars in this business but until then you'll continue to feed my bank account |
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also amugged66, i'm not surprised in the slightest you completely dodged my question with the inevitable "it's impossible to say", there's nothing impossible about it, ask anyone without bias which country has bred and the most dominant sprinters on a consistant basis, proven sprinters, sprinters who have beaten top liners on an international stage
there can only be one answer and I will bet everything I got it would not be Ireland or the UK, it's Australia, everyone knows it, you are embarassing yourself by trying to argue this.. you just have to ask your average Aussie punter their thoughts on Ortensia and you will instantly know exactly how good our sprinters are, Ortensia was never even in any finish in one of our top line sprints, never ever.. but comes out and wins at Dubai, if you can't see it then as I have said before, you can only be classified as a mug we travel to your shores in our off season and spank your sprinters, yet you have declared it would be a legitimate excuse (if beaten) if your horses travelled to Australia to contest in one of our big sprints because it's your off season and then you have the gaul to accuse me of cherry picking, so it's not a valid reason for me to say our sprinters have been well beaten in a few of your races due to the fact they were racing in their supposed "down time" but hey if one of yours came to our shores and got beat, the instant excuse is the above.. no buddy, not gonna happen you see this is the problem with you, you rely on facts and figures and whilst a majority of the time it makes you look like you know what you're talking about, I know you haven't got any idea what you're talking about, you never offer an opinion just facts. I offer my opinion and my opinion is worth more then any fact or figure you can pull off of wikipedia because I know more about this sport then you know in the nail of your thumb you've embarassed yourself with the following snippets of self-humiliation: - you told me Foxwedge should be rated similarly to Hay List, Hay List beat Foxwedge with an 8kg disadvantage in our Newmarket Handicap, beaten 2L - you told me Takeover Target won the same award for 2 consecutive years when in actual fact, those 2 different years were the span of 1 racing season then when you ran out of things to say to put megsy down, you became a keyboard warrior and acted like you'd spent 3 years at university as a literature graduate, that right there is the pure sign of someone well beaten in a debate fk off pal, you're not even in my grade, you can't hold a debate with me |
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Newmarket, England // A leading Australian trainer says Black Caviar will prove her European doubters wrong at Royal Ascot, where the world's highest-rated sprinter runs in the Diamond Jubilee Stakes in two weeks. Black Caviar concluded her journey from Australia to England on Thursday - after stopovers in Singapore and Sharjah - and was transferred to Abington House Stables in Newmarket. The six-year-old mare is unbeaten in 21 starts in Australia and although there is a healthy respect in England about her abilities, Paul Messara has encountered disbelieving sentiments at England's racing headquarters. The trainer arrived two weeks ago to step up Ortensia's preparations ahead of the Al Quoz sprint winner's challenge in the King's Stand Stakes, which is run on the opening day of the five-day Royal Meeting on June 19. "Black Caviar will face the worst field she has ever raced against here," Messara said. "There is no chance she'll get beat if she arrives without problems. Zero. These guys over here are kidding themselves, it is almost a joke." Messara is well-versed in the dangers that thoroughbred racehorses can suffer during the arduous journey from Australia, which can take over 30 hours. Two years ago his mare, Alverta, lost 40kgs on the flight to England. She performed well below expectations when finishing 14th in the Golden Jubilee Stakes before running third in the Group 1 July Cup. "We have the best sprinters, it's simple," Messara said. "Our sprinters win over here, having been on a plane for over 30 hours and very few of them are 100 per cent when they arrive. you understand that imamug66??, fcuking turd muncher "She only needs to be 80 per cent to win. I'm sure connections won't give her a hard time but from an Australian point of view I'd love it if they got stuck in to her and she won by half the track." The interest in Australia reached fever pitch yesterday and the television channel TVN announced that not only would it be screening the race live there but also that a film crew will accompany the mare. "Black Caviar is the people's horse, she belongs to the nation, and we are very fortunate to be associated with her," said Gary Wilkie of TVN. "With her unbeaten record, and first trip to take on the world at Royal Ascot, we are committed to ensuring her programme is captured for all and recorded for the history of racing. "We feel a great sense of excitement and national pride." |
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hail the queen,the highest rated mare of all time. is frankel the highest rated male???
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wins on average 4 lens eased to a walk at the finish. equates to 12 lens average winning margins at a mile in fast times.
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After her British foray, she will return to Australia to be prepared for the all-important Spring Carnival in Melbourne, where her legions of fans will be looking forward to welcoming "The Wonder from Down Under" back to Australian racing.
yes the world global sprinters series the GRP 1 PATINACK not a moonee valley night race called the william read you listening turd muncher,? you might learnt something, but i doubt it, your studying to be a idiot |
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I hope that the Aussie Mare wins by half the track.
A wonderful racehorse, the horse does not know what country it is trained in. . |
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or what price it is,
 or what day it is, or the name of its jockey, ect ect ect, |
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educee
FFS man will you stop being so precious about a bloody horse Racing is very subjective and trying to corrolate form across hte continents is almost imposssible and it becomes totally impossible when you are doing it from different generations So your claim that shye is the best we have ever seen is the ramblings of an ignorant drunk sitting in the corner of the pub telling everyone " I coulda made it " Here there have been amazing sprinters like Dayjur / Lochsong to name but 2 that were flying machines that might well have fed her her arse hole as for all we know this a poor era for sprinters both here and down under. Why not just enjoy here like the Britts enjoy thier stars without your constant SHOUTING You look like a clueless trog on this and other threads I have read because of your " My dads bigger than your dad" tripe. Ed |
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let's face it, every major horse racing nation in the world has it's middle distance horses as the top horses in their country.
Australia doesn't have any top horses so they concentrate on sprinters, which is fair enough. If BC beats our handicappers at Ascot, then we can all agree that she is a top sprinter, possibly the best sprinter around, but she will still be nowhere near the best horse in the world. Number one sprinters wouldn't make the top ten of the best horses in the world. |
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Outpost
Date Joined: 10 Apr 09 Add contact | Send message When: 08 Jun 12 10:02 Joined: Date Joined: 10 Apr 09 | Topic/replies: 2,534 | Blogger: Outpost's blog let's face it, every major horse racing nation in the world has it's middle distance horses as the top horses in their country. Australia doesn't have any top horses so they concentrate on sprinters, which is fair enough. ..you think???...heard of atlantic jewel?, BC's nemisis and 10-12furlongs her game BC looking at the shyt weather in england  |
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hope she does well for you at ascot megsy.
I will simply be watching and enjoying the race. PS. I've never heard of atlantic jewel. |
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LOL.....I did wonder at first edunce if you were just on a wind up but then every time you post I doubt that less and less and am now convinced that you really are as thick as sh1t and whilst I used to think it was
I now genuinely feel  for you and have you never head of the expression when you're in a hole then stop digging?I didn't dodge your question at all, I gave you a quite sensible and logical answer instead of indulging in jingoistic b0ll0cks like you tend to. If you can't answer a question then what makes more sense, to say that you can't or just to make up any old cr@p? Maybe you can't comprehend what is the sensible thing to do as English is only your second language after being fluent in utter b0ll0cks......how do the Aussie sprinters do at the Breeder's Cup by the way? I'm at a loss here to decide which bits of total sh1t you have spouted that I should prioritise dealing with because it's spread so wide that if I attempt to cover all of it then the site would probably crash and cost Betfair millions. Let's start first with Foxwedge and Hay List and what I said: If Haylist is rated 125 and Foxwedge 122 then should Foxwedge be beating Hay List by ¾L? And now what you heard in your head between the voices telling you to collect your naval fluff in a jar. you told me Foxwedge should be rated similarly to Hay List. Hay List beat Foxwedge with an 8kg disadvantage in our Newmarket Handicap, beaten 2L Well apart from what I "asked" having little resemblance to what you have twice now claimed I actually said and am for the second time now having to slap you down again, it was a question anyway. Most people who make themselves look a total pr1ck learn from it the next time and don't repeat the same mistake but you just go trudging on head down and do it all over again. You cherry pick one bit of form between the two horses with your 8kg reference but seemingly overlook the fact that they have raced against since, where Foxwedge reversed the form receiving only 7lb and yes I looked that up at the time because call me daft but that's what I tend to do when I either don't know or am not sure of something, rather than spout any old b0ll0cks and make a tw@t of myself. Yeah I now, call me old fashioned eh?  So now to your next piece of cr@p. I made a genuine mistake but you even fcuked up when pointing out my fcuk and it wasn't even Takeover Target that I thought had won a couple of Aussie horse of the year type awards it was actually Scenic Blast, but the finer detail you got wrong doesn't make much difference to the point you were trying to make there, just as it didn't make much difference to my main point but I'm not quite as desperate as you to have to cling on to as much as possible and yes I looked up Scenic Blasts stats, which I don't think is such a terrible thing as nobody can be expected to know or remember everything and especially from a country where I have openly admitted I don't know much about their racing. I do know that Scenic Blast came here and won once and was then 10th of 15 and with a 6L reversal with the horse it beat when it won. Oh and just for good measure, Scenic Blast was Australian Champion Racehorse of the Year (2008-2009) which is a bit of a contradiction in itself if that spans 2 years and so maybe the title should be changed to Season rather than Year. In edunceland though 5 Aussie wins from at least 15 starts (the figure is higher with other beaten horses included) translates to you "spanking" our sprinters. You even had Irish, French, Spanish and South Africa horses finish in front of yours in some of those races too and yet claim yours are the best in the world! I'm not particularly well educated, I just went to a school at a time when you didn't just get a geography pass for finding your way home form school or a human biology one for knowing your @rse from your elbow, but then thing you seem to have trouble understanding (no surprise there then) is that this is a public forum where everyone is entitled to their opinions and I have no problem with that, even if I disagree. So because of that I tend not to indulge in petty name calling unless I get it from others and although I have said this on numerous occasions, if you are going to start to try to claim the intellectual higher ground and start calling others idiots, stupid and morons then you had better make sure that you don't have a standard of English that funnily enough makes you look like an idiot, stupid and a moron. I don't have to put smegma down, he does a good enough job of that himself every time he posts. Fcuk me you know things have badly dumbed down when you have only a generally decent standard of written English yet are being elevated to "having spent 3 years at university as a literature graduate" when I've never even been to university, mainly due to it being at a time when you had to get more things right than wrong to pass an exam! As for having opinions, they count for little against facts although I've given plenty anyway it's just that you seem to have trouble retaining them but at least one I have given has been that I fully expect Black Caviar to come here and win but you were probably too busy getting things I have said @rse about face in your desperation to point score that you didn't have enough space in your tiny little narrow, jingoistic mind to be able to store it. As for you laughingly claiming I'm not in your grade, you are bang right there as I left that kind of grade at an age when I stopped pulling my pants down to my ankles to have a p1ss and as for not being able to debate with you, I would lose you and find you again on most subjects, I can assure you. |
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OK Megsy I just looked up atlantic jewel and she's won 4 out of 4.
won 2 races over a mile as a 3yo and then dropped back to win 2 over 6f and 7f as a 4yo. I suppose in australia that 7f is middle distance because it's halfway between 6f and a mile. I can understand why BC and her want to keep avoiding each other. |
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The problem you have Mugsy is that nobody is that bothered about a sprinter.
It matters not whether it's Black Caviar,Ortensia or any of the other white bridled muck that Australia keep sending over. |
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By: This user is offline. Outpost
Date Joined: 10 Apr 09 Add contact | Send message When: 08 Jun 12 11:37 Joined: Date Joined: 10 Apr 09 | Topic/replies: 2,536 | Blogger: Outpost's blog OK Megsy I just looked up atlantic jewel and she's won 4 out of 4. won 2 races over a mile as a 3yo and then dropped back to win 2 over 6f and 7f as a 4yo. I suppose in australia that 7f is middle distance because it's halfway between 6f and a mile. I can understand why BC and her want to keep avoiding each other. clearly you checked your information with racing post whom have it all wrong, she has won 4 from 4 all as a 3 yr old. i suggest you do a search and watch her wakeful stakes ( 10 furlongs )win by 7 lens in a canter eased to a walk over the line whilst still doing black caviar like sectionals.she ran a final 400 faster than the highest rated 3yr old sprinter in the world on the same day. Already talk about coolmore going to the breeders if frankel goes, they are that confident. pity she's a filly, the females dont get the same world ratings as males, just look at BC, highest rated of all time for a filly/mare -10 FLEM 29-Oct-11 2000M Dead5 (WAKEFUL G2) 3YO SWP Fillies $302,000 ($182,000) Michael Rodd (5) 58.0 Rtg:108 2nd RAHVEEL 54.0: 3rd DOWAGER QUEEN (NZ) 55.0: 2-4.98, Margin 7.0L 8th at 1200m, 9th at 800m, 5th at 400m, Betting $1.26/$1.26F. |
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ankles ...ffs get into your imamug suit
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