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Nathaniel.
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Nathanial progressive but wont cope with WF without the big weight advantage he had last time.In addition WF was hurting more than most realised last time.[;)]
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fair enough but i would rather have the improving horse than the one maybe past its best.
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Past its best? lol
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could be.not a ridiculous thought.
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My colours firmly nailed to the mast with Sarafina - id be very surprised if she didnt go extremely close - my only bet for the race
Cant have SYT at all - Reliable Man, Galikova, Workforce and Nathaniel the only other possible winners imvho 1. Sarafina 2. Workforce 3. Reliable Man ![]() |
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looking for a good run with sarafina,cocky jockey.
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galikova not good enough.
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I nailed my colours to the mast before the King George.Nathaniel@25/1.
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andre fabre supplementing meandre in the race is very interesting imo!
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i think sarafina is gonna rout them[smiley:crazy]
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Very interesting Meandre being supplemented,shortlisted it on someones thread a few weeks ago and wrote it off after the trials.
Still cant have it but AF is not daft for sure,forgotten more than most about this race and what is needed to win it. Get laying dunlaying,no shame in a profit.[;)] ![]() |
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Ilwab,mince[;)]
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mince and sour mash
what a double today [smiley:crazy]SYT wouldnt win if he started now,but to be honest i'll be amazed if he turns up,ballydoyle up to their old tricks with this one,wont turn up,Workforce is by far the best value,defending champ,easy to forgive his last 2 runs and the current fav is a horse he beat quite comfortably last season,also like the look of meandre [;)] |
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No forgiveness needed OTS,both times he proved he is as good as ever.No STS but wouldnt be too far behind.
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i think he will gt,probably as a pacemaker knowing ballydoyle
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*bit of a hound
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That is the rub OTS (and if Charnier and Fraudy are reading,not your kind hth[;)])
If he ran as a true contender i could see him getting a place,nightmare trying to second guess that lot. ![]() ![]() |
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lol OTS you were still at Woodbine.
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![]() ![]() exactly gt,whats your thoughts on SYT,do you give him much hope if he were to turn up?as you may have already read,im not entirely convinced with him,he's no STS thats for sure ![]() |
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glentoby
that might have been another SYT thread. |
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Definitely have to give him a chance,the Arc can be a dirty or lucky race for lots of reasons.Cant have him in front of WF in a clean one though.[;)]
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Sorry penzance forgot to ask m8,what might have been in an earlier post?
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Meandre,Arc shortlist.
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Think its going to be a case of who plays their hand last will win. Im waiting on the ground as i think this race will be right up Snow Fairy's street if its good or better, plenty of cover and although shes not the best in the field the race may play into her hands, oh and she could be 40-1 plus om the PMU
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last years second horse, only beaten by a sensationally game effort from jockey and horse, is too big a price.
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agree,got a weight pull with the filly.
Ran well imo after a long lay off in the trial. Was also a bit unlucky in last years race. GL |
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No forgiveness needed OTS,both times he proved he is as good as ever
Can't have that .You think Workforce ran as well in the Eclipse & KG as he did last year in The Derby & Arc ![]() |
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Got you penzance,cheers.Remembered a few of us putting a few up pre-the trials.Cant write off Meandre but have to stick with convictions so far,AF obviously thinks differently and we should take notice.
Last year i backed WF before the Derby,immediately after and kept having a bit.When Harbinger hacked up i laid some off,then backed him and laid him.This went on for ages and was getting nowhere,in the end i compromised and let it ride. The molerat told me 3 or 4 days before he was fine,after the race he said euraqhunt for not keeping in touch,laid off too much. ![]() ![]() |
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Can't have that .You think Workforce ran as well in the Eclipse & KG as he did last year in The Derby & Arc
The Eclipse is over 10 furlongs,so you're not comparing like with like there,and the KG was a mess of a race,Strange pace,horses been knocked about,two very reasonable excuses imo |
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TBF OTS Tobermory might not have read all the thread.First is obvious,too short,2nd was a mess and he was more badly hurt than most realised.[;)]
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How good a race was it last year?? it certainly wasn't cleanly run
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this may not be the best Arc but is developing into a cracker,
if the all show. |
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All the better for WF zilzal,won a dirty one.A few thought STS wasnt going to get out,both horses way above the average.
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Agree Penzance, hope its good ground and a full field with a end to end gallop
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may be wrong here,but thought Iread somewhere that they
have raised the amount of runners(25).Is that right? |
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Has the molerat got any for tomorrow gt?
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zilzal you think the race will be any different this year?
any horses beaten "unluckily" last year that have proven the form wrong? Personally can't see anything but a french win (I am a fan of both Reliable Man and Meandre), but no value at all in the British/Irish runners and Nakayama is a big price in my view. |
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Yep he did get the run though Glen. For a horse thats won both a Derby and an Arc it still isn't easy to judge him re ability, his best performance came on top of the ground at Epsom but he's flopped at Ascot and he's a narrow arc winner in a troubled race which we've still to judge the quality
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