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09 Mar 11
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it was the end of an era today with the Weekender now incorporating the Raceform Update.
How many people on here remember the old sporting chronicle handicap book and some of its contributors to the 'sports forum' like the Flying Dutchman C Van der Wheil?
How many people on here remember the old sporting chronicle handicap book and some of its contributors to the 'sports forum' like the Flying Dutchman C Van der Wheil?
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Inventing VDW was clever, but giving his system a Missing Link was a stroke of genius imo.
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Tony Peach is still trying to peddle that tosh.
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great days, that was mostly why I bought the paper for the letters page.
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Yes and so did I "the myth of the missing link" they called it in the end.
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Sigh, thickets, Tony Peach WAS Che Van Der Wheil
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I don't think so, he has been tracked down though and apparently it was a fraud, although I haven't actually seen the evidence my self.Thats not to say he didn't have some good ideas and that ppl haven't made money from the method, but the 80% strike is a myth.
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sunset cristo I believe the guy had temperament problems,but knew how to find winners,his staking plan was his undoing I think.
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Chompy is that true,and if so was peach a successful punter?
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I know for a fact peachy wasn't VDW,also his grasp of form wasn't great,spoke to him many times,a nice guy,made plenty out of the books,but definitely wasn't VDW.
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You wouldn't happen to hail from Lincoln perchance would you G Hall?
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IS THIS THE SAME GUY WHO NOW HAS A WEBSITE
http://vanderwheil.com/ can't make much sense of it tbh |
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''go back too the beginning and its all tied up with temperament and ODDS''
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manchester don't think that is VDW,probably some one using his methods as they understand them.
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Ahoy did you still follow the methods?
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Ahoy what does that mean
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G Hall,
Are you the same G.Hall who joined in the discussions in the H/Cap Book with VDW all those years ago? |
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Of course it is. Still wrote until recently. Van der Yawwwwwwwwwwn
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A lot of unanswered questions on this thread, nothing new there then.if only everyone was like Alan Potts on this forum.
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wonder if VDW would have had a system for bodugi.com??
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I can only simmarise for you Sunset Cristo.
Tony Peach was 'Letters Page Editor' at the Sporting Chronicle Handicap Book - at the SAME time that Van Der Wheill manifested itself through those pages. Tony Peach went on to become Deputy Editor. Tony Peach is still trying to sell Van Der Wheill through an associate of his. One and one could make 3, there. However, G Hall - who, coincidently, only ever seems to appear on the forum when there is a VDW thread - says that the aforementioned Mr Peach is not VDW. As they say - 'You pays your money and .... ' |
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Tony Peach couldn't possibly be VDW
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I agree.
VDW’s English wasn’t good enough for him to have been a journalist. |
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Well, um, yes, interesting thread, myself I was never sure about VDW,
or who he really was (?) And the missing link......well, yes.......whatever. Someone got a lot of mileage out of it. |
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Peach was as badly taken in by VDW as the update forum readers. He fell hook,line and sinker for the fantasy letters from a reader in Market Harborough who believed he was a hugely successful punter finding near 90% winners. These letters fooled many people over a number of years mainly because the writer was actually very good at writing in a compelling and interesting manner.
Unfortunately one reader called John Bingham believed it so much he convinced himself he cracked the missing link. After publishing a fair number of small books and running a tipping service that failed miserably,he sadly killed himself. A further letter from a G Hall in Lincoln spurred the story on again in the late 90s with this writer claiming he had cracked the link also and was now finding big priced winners and hardly any losers. Apparently the original writer came from Lincoln originally and his name was Hall also. |
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Then in 2011 on the Betfair forum, a punter comes along and explains the whole story of VDW, and nobody believes him either.
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Doctor - I could go into more detail but there are others who know the score with VDW so i'll leave it to them. Don't get me wrong he made a lot of sense in what he wrote,but he wasn't Dutch and he certainly didn't fund luxury holidays all over the world on the proceeds of his betting. He lives in a bungalow in Market Harborough still apparently. I think it's better he stays relatively anonymous because there are a lot of people who will feel cheated and that they wasted a lot of time looking into his methods. And some of them may want to vent that frustration on him which wouldn't do anyone any good imv.
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mginvest, is that all you've got?
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What are you expecting Doctor? The details will probably emerge from someone on here at some point,but suffice to say personally i got over hearing the truth a long time ago and moved on. The guy was a dreamer and in fact he was merely a forerunner of so many BF forumite bullsh!tters,albeit it a much more coherent and interesting one than today's mob.
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Van der Wheil was from Malvern in Worcestershire, not Market Harborough.
Like him or loathe him, he certainly livened up the letters pages of the Handicap Book. |
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What are you expecting Doctor?
A bit of substance, all we’ve got is your word for it. Haven’t you got anything to back it up with? |
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VDW - the king of aftertimers.
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mginvest
"A further letter from a G Hall in Lincoln spurred the story on again in the late 90s" Where is this letter to be found, please? I don't recall it in any of Tony Peach's booklets. |
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Well, um, yes, interesting thread, myself I was never sure about VDW,
or who he really was (?) And the missing link......well, yes.......whatever. Someone got a lot of mileage out of it I agree I was never sure about VDW.Always found the methods interesting though.Even if some of it was exaggerated that doesn't mean that the methods were rubbish or that people couldn't make the game pay with them. Does any one on here use the methods or at least their understanding of them? |
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Doctor - I could go into more detail but there are others who know the score with VDW so i'll leave it to them. Don't get me wrong he made a lot of sense in what he wrote,but he wasn't Dutch and he certainly didn't fund luxury holidays all over the world on the proceeds of his betting. He lives in a bungalow in Market Harborough still apparently. I think it's better he stays relatively anonymous because there are a lot of people who will feel cheated and that they wasted a lot of time looking into his methods. And some of them may want to vent that frustration on him which wouldn't do anyone any good imv.
mginvest did you post under another username on the gummy furum?Fulham or Lee or another username?I've heard this story before and apparently it was proven to a select few though I never got to see the evidence myself. |
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Van der Wheil was from Malvern in Worcestershire, not Market Harborough.
What evidence you got for that? |
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A further letter from a G Hall in Lincoln spurred the story on again in the late 90s"
Where is this letter to be found, please? I don't recall it in any of Tony Peach's booklets No I don't remember this either. |
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Hensman,sorry i mean't G.R. Lincolnshire. G.Hall of Lincoln wrote the letters that "fanned the flames" for the VDW correspondance. As you may know by now it has been fairly well established by a reliable source that the VDW letters were written by a G Hall from an address in Market Harborough. This man apparently was originally from Lincoln. Anyone can now look at the street in which he lived for over 50 years on Google Street View. It is not the abode of a successfull punter getting 90% winners. The caravan in the drive is no doubt the mode of transport for all those holidays all over the world.
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LOL -
Is there a vase of Tulips in the front window? That would be the 'give-away'. |
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mginvest
Thanks. |