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Fairtrader. Call AGT and ask. In your position i think you will find them accomodating.
Nineiron. Saturday should be better. In that we usually bet to worse margins the lower the crowd. I was told when i started it is not what you take it is what you keep that counts. However, we all fall into the trap of saying i laid this and i laid that and then i did......... You know that Profit keeps you sane. Turnover just keeps you busy. (accept very few will listen tho !!) |
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england -3 hcap @ 10/11 looks the bet for me
sugar i was refering to working at ffos las after a heavy night in cardiff |
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oK NO PROBLEM. pLEASED TO HEAR YOU ENJOYED YOURSELF.
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every one is entitled to thier opinion but sending a rookie to sandown off a bad pitch number would send him skint quickly.
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i always find the ex's @ sandown put u on the back foot straight away
isnt it nearly 170 to bet whitbread day ? |
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Spot on. But if he just went on Ecipse day and Whitbread day granted reasonable not fantastic results he would have a winning chance.
Fairtrader. In this example off a bad number you should not consider any other days, with poss exception of a music night clashing with a Festival, say goodwood. However you will find the expenses will be increased to an uncomfortable level. |
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thats without staff and petrol. plus from a bad pitch you will be on the back line and to be honest you will only lay over the odds.
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Fairtrader
Take on board what the others have said,DO NOT try to go full time at the moment.Keep your day job & just work steady away into this.Be very selective.With your tank I would probably hire the gear initially(Don't forget to hump this gear around you need a people carrier or something very similar)so if you have an ordinary car you'll have to buy something bigger if you want your own gear.Here's some ideas from the Northern courses.Newcastle Tatts Flat-Any number as long as it's in the numbers £2500 approx,York or Chester number just outside the numbers maybe &1000.Forget about most jumps especially Cheltenham,the place is useless unless you have a cracking pitch.I don't know what the crack is at Kempton over the jumps (there's been too many pitches up for sale recently there) but a silver ring pitch there just for boxing day could be a decent buy but I'd want to ask around why there's been so many pitches up for sale recently.As said earlier don't buy a number at Chester & York as they clash too often. |
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kempton boxing day is workable but not what it was (where is). do not be tempted to go the following day.
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last post now from me
the whitbread last year wasnt a shadow on the year before in fact pretty certain i packed down after 5 or 6 did get a result in church island ( cheers jimnast ) laters |
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Yesteryear i remember bookies had margins on their side, the current ones standing should remember that. There is no point moaning about no margins and always losing.
I take it that was directed at me. Not actually true about the margins. In the "good old days" those in the good pitches bet to good figures but those in the back lines pulled the nuts off them. There was many a time that we used to rub down because they were betting overbroke in and out & we had to wait for the punters to settle on one. I have seen a fairly well respected Northern bookmaker getting explained to him that he was betting overbroke on his own board. Now there is no brainpower involved. Put it a shade under the exchange price & crack away. Like to see some of the new boys operate in the back lines with no exchanges, adding up your board (and sometimes your book if the clerk was a bit slow) in your head. |
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Lots of advice for Fairtrader but i get the distinct feeling....Three months max.
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thats sound of ya
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wasnot
you mention newbies not been able to work out percentages,well at the new year meeting at ayr a scottish bookmaker with at least 20 years behind him was betting to 91% in the win book,one had been withdrawwn around 20 mins before the race and whilst he had withdrawn it the exchange hadnt,we could all see he had a q it took kj to point out to him he may struggle to win on the race if he continued to bet like that. |
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Fairtrader - Epsom Derby Tatts/Silver is very workable for a couple of days and wont cost much. You can pick a cheap pitch at Bath up, but go no more than twice a year. Newbury - Some of the summer saturdays are ok. All those pitches are within your budget.
Places to avoid - Chepstow, Goodwood (Festival), AW, NH Winter, |
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A lot of sound advice but I think some are forgetting the fixed costs when suggesting that only one or two days are worked.
eg. GC will be £500 in first year, Levy £200 , Public Liability Ins £200, Northern racing annual fee £150 from 2012 and likely to be copied by other courses. You are likely to have extra car insurance when you tell them you are working as a on-course bookmaker. wasnot, you say JCR will want stupid money come 2012. Then suggest Chester and York. Do you not think that they will not want stupid money as well ? Or are you privy to what's being proposed by the various racecourse groups ? |
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Discussions are confidential IanP so I am only privy to agreed proposals same as everyone, not what is being discussed. That being said, the rumour factory is working overtime.
Can only say it as I see it currently. Surely no-one would pack in their job and invest at the moment when they dont know what they are buying? A position just outside the numbers at York and Chester would enable you to bet whenever you wanted to and not cost a fortune hence you are not risking much. Perhaps I should have spelt it out - thought everyone would have understood. |
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the york bubble outside the numbers as surely burst?everyone noticed all the shrewdies had them last year and now about another dozen have been bought,changes the landscape somewhat.
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has!
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Another salient point is that just because they want silly money does not mean they will get it. The fact that you can get on to any of their "premier" meetings from outside the numbers tell you that there are plenty of books who dont want to go under the current arrangements, goodness knows how few books Chester would get in tatts if the payments went beyond 5x. Only ever half full on Saturdays now!
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fairtrader
if you do get going make sure you avoid all the miserable sods on the racecourse,you will soon get to know who they are. |
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fairtrader a good place to start would be derby day.you can get a joint built for 40 pound and its 90 to bet.no need to buy a pitch but you need your license and public liability.
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......and pay £200 levy even if you work just derby day.
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i dont think he is going to just work derby day ian.at least he shold win.
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So how many of you shrewdies made a profit on course last year????
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traded last 6 months , NO PROFIT
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We all win every day because we lay them at 2/1 on course and then back them back at 4/1 on here - havent you heard?
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wasnot-You dont seem to be doing it very well at TOWCESTER!!!!!
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halfsoldier
I would think all who've posted on here would have made a profit last year.My profit was down on the year but still got a decent wage.The reason I say this is because we are all fortunately fairly established & have some decent pitches whereas someone setting away unless he is fortunate in being able to buy into decent positions will struggle.When I first set away in the 80s I got skint every year for years but I battled through like a lot of the established books.On course bookmaking is not an easy game to break into,it's dog eat dog.That's probably the reason I've been posting on this thread,if I can help someone into the game who has limited funds then I will.As I said earlier I was forever getting skint,but if Fairtrader takes on board the advice he has been giving on here he may have a chance & that's only MAY. |
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You do know I wasnt being serious dont you?
At Towcester its nearer to laying 4/1 & having the option of backing back at 2/1 on here  |
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I would have assumed that Barry Dennis is fairly established and has some decent pitches,and he has told you that he has made NO PROFIT in the last six months!!!!!
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Since Oct Ive been to the following:
Paddy Power Meeting Cheltenham - Lost Both days Hennessey Newbury - Lost Rearranged King George Meeting Kempton - Lost Cheltenham Trials Day - Lost Didnt make Chelt December Meeting - Would have lost Did win New Years Day - 1 out of 6 aqint bad [smiley:crazy] |
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6 months isn't a year,if you'd asked in the last 6 months well that's a different question.
The National Hunt is notoriously hard to win at during the winter,only two or three decent days.Why do you think on course bookmakers take their holidays during winter?In many cases it's cheaper to go on holiday than to stand trying to make a book at this time of the year.If I was to check my books from the start of October I've probably lost & I've only been out half a dozen times & that includes two points. |
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allpoints
my point last week about outside money i could have put better,i fully accept somebody just starting up needs a safety net and as you rightly advised earlier dont give up your full time job,what i should have said those who openly brag about how much they make away from racecourse bookmaking means this is just a game to them,even on the sunday that week at market rasen a workman tells the rest of the silver ring if its no good today it doesnt matter as he gets a million a year out off his other job. |
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jimnast
In those cases I think we both have the same reaction,fcuk off clever cnut.They sharp get sorted out & find lifes hard if they want to go along that route.If they want to enjoy the racing they've got to mix in,nearly all of the biggest layers in the North I regard as friends & I'm a pauper.Not one of these big layers has ever given me any earache about how much they have & as you know plenty of them have plenty.Even these big layers need help sometime so it's a hard life if you've burnt your boats. |
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a million a year and he is standing in market rasen silver ring in deepest winter,must be a real enthusiast.
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Hi Wassy. You should know that if i make a comment aimed at anyone there would be no confusion as i would address it directly to that individual.
My comment was not aimed at you specifically, sorry if you took personal offence. It was just a general comment aimed at the industry as a whole and i include myself on certain occasions. We keep moaning about margins but we are the ones putting the prices on the board so have to take some responsibility. |
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Evening Gents, Thanks for all the advice.
I already work in the industry so I won't be a slave to the exchanges, when I worked at the races I disagreed with the reliance of many books on here or daq so wanted to learn the trade the proper way. Now I feel like I have enough experience to at least give on-course a proper go. I'm sure its very different playing with your own money, but if you stay disciplined and bet properly I'm sure I will make enough to satisfy my modest needs. |
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A couple here say avoid the AW............why? Is it the attendances and resulting poor turnover?
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