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By:
Diamond_Joe_Quimby
When: 25 Aug 10 21:38
Unlike Veitchs and Nevisons absolute garbage, may i say Alan, yours.......was a "Bloody Good Book"
By:
knot in wood
When: 25 Aug 10 21:47
would you go back on the tv as a pundit if asked mr potts,think you would be far more interesting to listen to than most of them.
By:
par
When: 25 Aug 10 22:03
Three of us were at Newbury one day

My mate Keith went up to Alan and asked for his autograph

After a suitable period to recover from the shock of being asked for an autograph Alan stood for a good while  and had a good natter about the card and upcoming races. A gent.

He gave us the winner of the juvenile hurdle to boot.
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 25 Aug 10 22:12
Hello, hope you don't mind me asking this but Alan Woods once said that in today's age any prospective gambler had to become/employ programmers to take advantage of all the data out there.  Are those the skills you brought from your 25 years in IT?

Do you favour a hard-and-fast-rules based approach, or are there sets of circumstances which identify potential winners for you?



any programmer had to embrace programming
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 25 Aug 10 22:13
Ignore final line.
By:
TheAnorak
When: 25 Aug 10 22:23
TV - no longer an option for me even if I was asked, as I have tinnitus in both ears which leaves me with hearing difficulties. No mileage in a pundit that has to keep asking the presenter to repeat the question.

As to using IT for gambling, I never did, feeling that 25 years was enough for anyone. Now of course we're all in front of computers! But I do believe there's an argument that the mental approach you need for IT crosses over well into gambling. A lot of my work was troubleshooting, problem solving, hitting short term deadlines and it's the same mindset. I always felt that one of the keys to successful race analysis was being able to get from A to C without having to know what B was - if that makes sense. Call it lateral thinking, logic jump, intuition, whatever term you want to use and a lot of IT, especially back in the early days of the 60's and 70's was like that.
By:
knot in wood
When: 25 Aug 10 22:36
sorry to hear that,(pardon the pun) as long as the eyes work you can still pick the winners i hope!
By:
Brodie
When: 25 Aug 10 22:54
great thread.
By:
yeahyeahwhatever
When: 25 Aug 10 23:22
oh thank you for replying - much appreciated.  Sorry to hear about your tinnitus - it's a nasty, persistent condition.

So agree with your description of needing a troubleshooting mindset, I think that's what's so attractive about gambling on horses, it's possibly one of the best puzzles to try and solve.

Best of luck and I hope you're able to get some relief from your  tinnitus.
By:
Barnet Pedant
When: 26 Aug 10 01:13
Indeed a fine thread. But I do have one bone to pick with Alan's Books. At the back, he revealed the locations of many fine, but hitherto unknown pubs, which could be enjoyed prior to or after racing. It's one thing to advise on how to punt, but such sacrosanct information should never be disclosed to the general public!
By:
Blackwater
When: 26 Aug 10 01:36
An old school thread. Enjoyed reading it.

I didn't know about your experience with the publisher, Alan.

Thanks for sticking your head above the parapet.
By:
bornisthekingofSB
When: 26 Aug 10 08:26
what a wonderful thread,that indeed was a pleasure to read.I agree with everything said about Mr Potts a gentleman whose book still has pride of place in my collection
By:
wizardofoz
When: 26 Aug 10 09:23
Sorry to hear about your physical problems Alan. Thanks for your help with 1913 for the NH Chase results (going back to another civilised thread!) and you and others might like to know that, after over 4 years, the first book spawned by a BF forum discussion is now finished. It will be printed later this year before Cheltenham celebrates 100 coninuous years of the NH Meeting.
By:
annie.
When: 26 Aug 10 10:35
Sorry to hear about the tinnitus, Alan, I wondered why you are never seen on tv. 

However, with all the help given to people with 'disabilities', you would think the tv companies would jump at the chance to prove how 'on message' they are.  You do not have to reply to questions, just give us your thinking about horseracing.  Indeed you could have questions typed to you on a mobile phone, couldn't you? 

I hope that some tv companies read these threads and see how we are desperate for  a genuine horseracing pundit.  You do not have to give us tips, we do not expect you to be right all the time, but just guide us in a general way.  I, for one, would watch.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 26 Aug 10 10:46
i have over 300  books on horseracing gambling etc and the best 2 i have read are agaist the grain and the inside track both by alan potts.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 26 Aug 10 10:47
against.
By:
zilzal1
When: 26 Aug 10 10:51
The Crowd..........
By:
educator
When: 26 Aug 10 10:52
A campaign for Alan Potts on tv hey Annie ?

i will support it

"Oh lord its hard to be humble but i'm doing the best that i can"

Alan Potts defining characteristic imo
By:
zilzal1
When: 26 Aug 10 10:53
I remember a hurdler called Against the grain, it finished second in the triumph hurdle, think that there is a sprinter of the same name thats raced in the last couple of seasons
By:
educator
When: 26 Aug 10 10:56
Was there any called Against the crowd ?
By:
foxy top
When: 26 Aug 10 10:58
there is a formite named that,

sometimes spams though [smiley:crazy]
By:
zilzal1
When: 26 Aug 10 10:58
Cant remember any, and there isnt one on the posts database
By:
the lay preacher
When: 26 Aug 10 11:06
thanks zilzal of course it was against the crowd.
By:
portmanpark
When: 26 Aug 10 12:18
ive read both of alan potts books and enjoyed both........also enjoyed mark cotons book........ive not read nevisons or veitch  books ........are either or both worth a read??
By:
annie.
When: 26 Aug 10 12:58
I think they are worth a read just because any book on racing can give you that just one idea that makes it worthwhile, but to me they are not a patch on the books of alan potts.  His books teaches you about the game, the books by nevison and veitch taught you mostly about them  Sad
By:
telepathic
When: 26 Aug 10 13:18
Against the Grain trained by John Wilson at Ayr and owned by a company called Lightbodys won a juvenile hurdle at Cheltenham.
Linda Perratt who was Wilsons girl friend at the time gave him the boot and took over the training licence.
By:
telepathic
When: 26 Aug 10 13:20
Further - all Lightbodys horses had Grain in their name, For the Grain etc etc as they were bakers.
By:
The Northern Pro
When: 26 Aug 10 16:16
Alan,

read your books Against the Crowd and The Inside Track and can honestly say the former was arguably the best book on betting i have read...although i liked Veitch's book also.

Shame you have decided to stop writing on the subject!
By:
CJ
When: 26 Aug 10 16:35
FWIW, i didn't even finish Veitch's book, i thought it was utter rubbish. Only my opinion.
By:
grey shark
When: 26 Aug 10 17:58
zilzal1 26 Aug 10 10:53   


I remember a hurdler called Against the grain, it finished second in the triumph hurdle, think that there is a sprinter of the same name thats raced in the last couple of seasons


There was a Against The Grain who was a reasonable chaser trained by D. Nicholson won a handicap chase at Wolverhampton in the early 90's if i recall.
By:
GAZO
When: 26 Aug 10 18:06
i thought it was called For The Grain
By:
duncan idaho
When: 26 Aug 10 18:10
Newbury Result
31 Dec 1988
« 1:30 » Bradstone Mandarin Handicap Chase (Listed Race)

    * (3m2f82y) 3m2½f Good To Firm
    * £5,725.00, £1,720.00, £830.00, £385.00

    * RESULT
    * RATE RACE



«    
1 Ten Plus 11/10F     8 11-10 FWalwyn             K Mooney
     
Led to 3rd, led 6th to 16th, led 18th, pushed out
    

«    
2 Against The Grain I 5/1     7     10-5      D Nicholson    
    R Dunwoody
     
Mistake 13th, led 17th, lost place 19th, rallied flat, ran on well
    

«    
3 I Haventalight 33/1     9     10-7 b     C P E Brooks         
    R J Beggan
     
Mistakes 12th and 16th, headway 2 out, ran on flat
    

«    
4 Strands Of Gold 13/8     9     11-5      R J Alford
By:
grey shark
When: 26 Aug 10 18:17
Wolverhampton Result
19 Feb 1990

« 2:45 » Shrewsbury Cup Handicap Chase (0-145) 3m4f Good To Soft
£3,941.50, £1,192.00, £581.00, £275.50

 
« 1   Against The Grain I 5/1  9 10-13  D Nicholson  131 * * »

 
« 2  8  Comedy Lane 14/1  11 10-2  D H Barons  120 * * »

 
« 3  1  Red Columbia 12/1  9 10-0  K G Wingrove  118 * * »

 
« 4  2  Travel Over 4/5F  9 11-6  R Lee  138 * * »

 
« 5  4  Sacred Path 9/1  10 11-10  O Sherwood  142 * * »

« 6  1½  West Tip 6/1  13 11-7  M Oliver  142 * * »
By:
GAZO
When: 26 Aug 10 18:20
fair play,good job that wasnt my million pound question,i wouldnt even have phoned a friend.
By:
grey shark
When: 26 Aug 10 18:43
GAZO
There was a For the Grain and he was a better chaser than Against the Grain both trainend by D. Nicholson
By:
zilzal1
When: 26 Aug 10 18:58
Grey, its the same horse who finished runner up to First Bout in the 1985 Triumph
By:
grey shark
When: 26 Aug 10 19:08
zilzal , i know mate but i remember it for it's Wolver win on a wet Monday Happy
By:
parispike
When: 26 Aug 10 19:22
A quality thread. Well done the sensible contributors.
By:
NOW WE KNOW
When: 26 Aug 10 19:45
Wizard, well done on the book, I will cross the channel if necessary to purchase, cant think of another reason!!
By:
la mallatiere
When: 26 Aug 10 19:46
Alan

If you don't me asking how is Sizing Europe geting on at the moment
Hope he's well and having another go at the Festival next year?
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