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The bookmakers could wipe out your SP product in 5 minutes if they so wished, so wouldn't go crowing too loudly.
PS - Any chance of a rebate on the money lost due to Betfairs duff API these past few months? |
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I was reffering to the over round, Crawford. As for people moaning about not taking the price, there is no one to blame but themselves. More meeters and greeters than customers in my local shops this morning, asked every stranger if they wanted help.
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Thanks for addressing my points Pythia. I can't really argue with the facts (unlike some on here who are totally intransigent). I consider myself suitably humiliated!!
P.S. My ambition is to be successful enough to pay the Premium Charge. Then I will have genuine reason to moan about it!! :) |
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99.5% is probably true but their criteria for "active customer" is one bet within the specified time period.
half a pint of lager 12 months ago wouldnt make somebody an active drinker, but thats the logic behind the 99.5% stat. |
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I dont stalk you corbiewood,more like you stalk any thread with a mention of Bookmaker in the title.As for me being seething,it would take more than a jumped up little know it all like you to get me going.
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doesnt sound like it, also the evidence that you follow me on this forum is for everybody to see.
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inside is permanently seething imo..i bet he's only 5ft tall....
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Have a read back through the thread corbiewood and you will realise how much you are disliked on here.I would safely say you are one of the most unpopular formites of recent times.Call me whatever you like,i aint going away until Bookmaker sponsored clowns like you stop posting their bile here.
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Another example of how bookmakers can rip off punters without any comment from the racing media.At least when banks or say private car clampers steal from customers.All the media shout about it and try to stop the public being robbed.But the racing media see punters being taken advantage of daily and say nothing.They are a disgrace to their profession.
The big 3 were not paying 1st 5, nor best odds guaranteed in the shops.So the vast majority would have got 1s 4 and SP. |
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'insideinfo' (surely a joke) - why do you keep telling him he is disliked? you sound like a junior school bully....you might not like what he posts, but something is eating away at you to keep going on like this - what's wrong?
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insideinfo 10 Apr 20:42
Have a read back through the thread corbiewood and you will realise how much you are disliked on here.I would safely say you are one of the most unpopular formites of recent times.Call me whatever you like,i aint going away until Bookmaker sponsored clowns like you stop posting their bile here. so you admit to me that your making it a quest to follow me around this forum after every post? btw you sound truly rattled. on a more pressing note, what does it matter to you on the way you assume im percieved, honestly? Does it give you a twinge or something more sinister. Your quest should maybe include instead of following me around on a faceless bookmaker / arcade forum spouting out the same tured lines, to actually do something about these bookmaker wrongs - this forum represents 0.01%* of punters so you turning a debate into a militant rally doesnt really count, does it? |
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Corbie, i dont have a big problem with you as i used to work in the game myself, BUT you do seem to have a bot which generates a reply to virtually every anti bookmaker thread on here :-)
Oh yeah and the the staff that the big three employ are clueless about their product.............. |
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No punter was forced into a shop and held at gunpoint to have a bet, everyone has a choice.
If you dont like what you see go elsewhere until people do then the firms will stand there ground. I know a lot pf people on here do not like bookmakers for varying reasons, but none of them are breaking the law they are running a business and everyone has a choice to use them or move on. Anyway im fried (bad joke), im off out have a good one. |
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zizal, im set to default :^0
fair play, i do go on - but i do feel strongly about things - esp re betfair. |
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Calm down everyone ......... I say but 2 words
Caveat emptor. |
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I dont follow you around corbiewood i just feel the need to reply to your endless drivel on all these bookmaker threads.Maybe if you stopped posting on every single one of them your paranoia of me stalking you would ease somewhat.
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your post makes no sense.
Im off now so you can have the last word. Nighty Night. |
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Just as a footnote, I suspect the bookies paid out quicker than Betfair :o)
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Inside the bookmakers on here like corb and Fairfield will do everything they can to try to stop punters telling it how it is.Bookmakers have a budget of millions to keep politicians and the media in their back pocket.It must annoy them no end the truth gets out on here.Corb is a pathetic nark who lies and tries to intimidate punters to shut up.Just keep laughing in his face.Everytime he comes on, he shows what bookmakers really think about punters and what lowlives they are.
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One HUNDRED
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Got to laugh at some of the comments about the Betfair place markets are worse value than bookies place terms. Only when the favourite is odds on or in 16 runner hcaps is this the case, about 90% of the time Betfair place odds are far superior. It's one of the great Betfair myths.
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Toronto, you are showing yourself to be a clueless mug yet again. I am not sticking up for the bookmakers and certainly not the final SP, I am just pointing out that there was plenty of value out there for the punter if they looked.
Read what is written before you revert to type. |
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can anyone of the bookmakers reps explain how and why it happened, which i haven,t heard one good reason yet so i presume the original poster is correct?
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quite easy to explain,the sp is taken from the track using the odds of licensed bookmakers not the unlicensed,untaxed layers on here,the firms put a fortune on it on track to shorten it,its called market forces,i was a bookie there,it was my worse result,wtf its got to do with anyone on here is beyond me,if the mugs on here want to lay 19/1 thats their business,they were obviously wrong,end of. pythia,why dont you get your beloved betfair to buy some pitches and put everything right? and while they are it put a yes man like you on the stool,you can show us all how it is done.
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Excellent haul Pythia
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its disappointing that Pythia can be so prompt sometimes on certain subjects that interest him and no where to be seen/uncontactable on other important Betfair issues that are highlighted BY HIS CUSTOMERS.
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thank you ribero, so it would be a fair comment to say they made the market to suit themselves and not benefit their customer.
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yes they do it often,its a free market.
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Another step closer to industry sp's....the end is nigh
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Gary Wiltshire said it was a terrible result for the bookies?
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Pythia you state that 0.05% of active users pay the charge , that is indeed a minority but what % of consistent winners actually pay the charge ? As for pc payers taking their custom elsewhere im sure they would if there was some where else to go . At the moment you have them by the short and curlys , maybe betfair will have a change of heart change when the opposition does turn up . If betfair applied the charge to multiple bets how many would play ? enough said !
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laddies backed it 2 win a quarter of a million in the ring thereby saving themselves £x million !
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Gary Wiltshire is a**-sucker. How does he have the cheek to wave a voucher at the camera, £500 at 16/1 the winner with Chronicle? Surely arbed for two points profit minimum. To complain about a bad result for bookmakers is disgusting when they bet to 155%.** off Gary.
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Fairfield the subject of this thread was once a year punters being ripped off.You really would have to be a bit of a clueless mug, to think that these punters are shopping around for value.The reason the bookmakers cut the SP prices, was to pay these winning punters as little as possible.What Betfair do is nothing to do with it but just a smokescreen by you and corb.
Why would i think you were again taking the bookmakers side.Maybe its because you sound like a walking ad for them.......IE 1st 5 places,best odds guaranteed.refund on fallers refund on non starter.Add to that**ging off Betfair and you would have to be a clueless mug not to see who"s side you bat on and its not the punters! |
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I'm not sure what is worse - the fact that the bookies returned the worst overound in 20 years - or the fact the bookies reps have got PR stories out there claiming they have done their conkers. Utterly shameless.
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Pythia 10 Apr 20:23
coffee, Betfair is a licenced bookmaker and does take risk on its multiples products, using the Betfair SP to detrmine how those bets are settled. I have made no claims that it is Betfair that determines what the Betfair SPs are and agree it is our customers who set those prices - that, is my point. It is a better system for backers because the layers on here are consistently prepared to return better odds than the conventional bookmakers. Pythia. Can you state unequivocally that Betfair and/or Betfair psuedo customers (Malta, Betfair matching skimming customer) did not seed the National SP market yesterday to ensure that the overround was reasonable? Thanks |
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There's some mugs out there mind isn't there?
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Good question by bin it.
But a bit of a can of worms being opened here? The layers on here don't have the same overheads so of course they can offer better prices than the bookmakers? |
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as betfair made almost 350 million on commission,why bother with 0.5% of premium charge so called winners......if it helps with' marketing' must be for peanuts.......get real.......you can bet in all bookies place only thru the tote.....mug it was 5k @16s not £500.
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what is the average commission paid by Betfair customers? (I mean per customer, rather than per bet)
My guess would be over 4%, as the customers turning over fortunes on v low percentage would probably distort the average commission paid per bet that you would rather quote. Does the final Betfair SP overround add on this percentage? |