Group 1's

Alamshar then wins a King George with an arc second Sulemani in second and with horses like Kris Kin in 3rd and Falbrav and Nayef further down the field. You really couldn't make it up.

I suppose it depends what comparisons your making with past winners try your best. The 2 horses mentioned won weak derbys on figures and were average winners no matter how you cut it.

What I will say though is the past years since workforce won have been littered with average winners the exception being adayar and golden horn in my book. We were treated before that to some high class winners. Sinndar, Galileo, authorised, high chaparral and new approach to name a few.

6 Group 1 wins, arc winners, prix du jockey club winners, Irish champion stakes winners Juddmonte International winners King George Winners and Leger winners where you could look at collateral form lines. I knew you were thick and this just confirms it. You know naff all about racing. Novice personified.

And just think what The Great Gatsby could've achieved later if trained by Oxx instead of that mug AOB

I suppose you think Golden Fleece was a donkey as well because he only beat the St Leger winner Touching Wood. You have no answers to anything FiggASS. The form lines from Sir Percy's and Kris Kin's Derby's were probably a couple of the best in recent times and I have demonstrated just how little you know.

A_T, there were some really good horses in both races, better than in some other Derbys for sure. There have been worse horses win the Derby than Sir Percy. He wasn't the worst Dewhurst winner and his Guineas second was better a better performance than some horses put up when winning at Epsom (Wings Of Eagles, ROTW). I just don't rate that actual Derby highly, with DT improving to be a much better horse later.

Yes and what a performance Third Realm must've put up in last year's LDT. J effing C

You really don't want to put your tipping record on here against mine. It would be highly embarrassing for you.

Are you saying I didn't back Qualify? Do you want to put some money on the table if I can prove it? Please take me up on it. I will match any amount you want. Do you also want me to put up the treble of Key Victory, Symbolization and Saxon Warrior on Guineas day or the 100/1 Wings of Victory derby win. I may get it wrong sometimes as well but blimey not to the extent you do. You haven't a clue what I'm backing or not backing in the Derby and have no allegiance to any stable. I just want to win. A word that is totally alien to you. So how much do you want to put on the table or are you going to prove that you are the biggest bottle merchant and bullsh!tter on here.

TMB what is you tip for the Derby?

I'm hoping TMB will give us his tip before the race - much more helpful than afterwards

You are a fool and a chancer FigASS. Shown up for what you are. You've had worse 6/4 shots beaten 3/4 length I think you said. Bloody hell you must be bad because when you take into account the 6 bags of sugar you felt NT could carry extra and win the 2000G that is the equivalent of the nag being beaten about another 12 lengths. Great tipping.

Desert Crown looks fitish!!!

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Desert Crown looks a worthy favourite to me. Good time  - much faster than the older fillies race earlier. By Nathaniel so a guaranteed stayer. The second has 2000 Guineas form. Can't really see any negatives.

The Derby looks a much more entertaining prospect now.

Pete, I've laid them all, each to bigger amounts as I became more (or over) confident:  Point Lonsdale was the first:  People were backing him at a single figure price after Royal Ascot with 11 months to go!  Then Reach for the Moon also went into single figures after his Sandown win after ITV said how nice it would be for the queen to win the Derby in Jubilee year.  He got close to Point Lonsdale in the betting, but I don't think he quite got to be favourite.  Then Luxembourg who I got matched at 4.0 in December and 3.35 on 5th May.  New London was briefly made favourite when the Lux doubt arose, but got turned over within an hour and went straight out of contention.  Walk of Stars went into single figures, but I don't think he quite got to favouritsm.  Changingoftheguard was a short lived favourite until Stone Age won the Leopardstown Derby Trial.  And now we have Desert Crown.
I make that 6, but I could be wrong and I am only going by Betfair's market.
I am well into the red with Desert Crown and to a lesser extent Stone Age, but after final decs there are always moves for outsiders.  So things may not be so bad on the day.  On the plus side I have laid 22 horses at average odds of shorter than 20 which must be a record for me!

I wasn't convince that Bodegan gave its running today.
For me Marksman I admire the strategy which makes a lot of sense but I couldn't take my dosh being tied up for so long.
Good luck though.

LoyalHoncho, I was disappointed with El Bodegan today.  As he is small and hasn't grown, he should have been easy to get fit.  I've noticed that that this sort of horse has until Royal Ascot to reclaim their 2yo form and then they get over taken by larger, late developing types.  Perhaps it was the quicker going, but other than that I can't see any excuses.  Royal Patronage did well on what looked like a slower part of the track, but wouldn't have beaten Desert Crown even if he had been racing close to him.