The Eclipse - Sandown July 6th

telecaster e/w 25/1 ?

Sure I heard he's being rested

Might come back for Arc?

Well Enable is now looking certain to go off odds-on after Frankies upbeat comments yesterday, combined with the excellent form of the Gosden fillies and the lack of opposition. The weather is set fair all week so fast ground looks a certainty unless they over water.
Could easily be less than 8 runners so an antepost e/w bet with 3 places might be a nice play - if only we knew what was running.

Barney Roy was last matched at 100 so presumably he won't be running and fast ground won't suit Lord Glitters so maybe Mustashry is the e/w bet, though he has not been confirmed either so a waiting game it is.

Looks a good shout on Telecaster ej - horses who have been beaten at Epsom have a decent record in the Eclipse - Environment Friend, Compton Admiral, Oratorio, Roaring Lion etc. EF even won the Dante before Epsom like Telecaster.

Her prominent racing style should be ideal but I have a nagging doubt about her on good to firm, first time up, on what is a tighter track than is often realised (far bend tends to slow them down a bit, so the out and out 12f gallopers are perhaps disadvantaged). I've always felt the Eclipse suited 8-10f types rather than 10-12 on fast ground.

As I've said before Enable put up the fastest performance in an Oaks I've seen. In any year she'd have been extremely hard to beat for the rest of the season with the allowances. It was her 4yo level that I'm not impressed with. No matter how good any horse was that I've seen as a 3yo, they have all needed to improve as a 4yo to offset the loss of the weight allowance. Frankel being the exception. He didn't need to improve but still did, the rest had no chance. Enable is no Frankel even at the longer trips. For me, she made no wfa improvement at all but still managed to win the Arc a second time because it was a poor race for the grade and her only capable rival, Cracksman, was moved out of her way.

As an older filly she has never given a fast enough performance to show she is capable of winning a decent running of a race like the Eclipse. Of course it's still possible she could have improved again as a 5yo, a few horses do, but I have to judge her on what I've seen so far. For me, Gosden has made a big mistake in aiming her here and there's a big chance she is going to be found out.

when i posted telecaster few days back it was more of perhaps he,ll run and might have a squek, i honestly think now hes got a massive chance

Telecaster could be a steal here......His optimum run style is to go flat out which was obviously not feasible in the Derby and it’s no surprise he bombed out having to take a pull for the first mile. I’m sure I saw something on RUK that his Dante run fractions were brutal so much so that a mile and quarter would be his limit.
Add to that Sandown is a great front runners track. Osin Murphy excels from the front also.
So what what about the opposition? Enable will be a big threat but must be beatable over a trip she’s never won over and is first time up. Evens is a poor price win or lose. Gosden will be happy if she’s in the first 3.
Magical is not a horse I’ve taken to and don’t think the conditions suit her as well as the KG later this month. Again I can see her finishing in first 4 and connections happy enough.
Regal reality doesn’t look good enough on paper but looks like a true 10 furlong performer and will have optimum conditions. I can see him running really well and a big big danger.
Circus will struggle over this trip in such a fast run race. I think they may look for another race now a mile seems his distance.
Mustashry is similar to Circus but not as good....
Can’t have any of the others unless we have 30mm of rain and then Addeybb gets his conditions. He won’t run if firmish surely.

In conclusion I think if Telecaster can bowl along a few lengths clear of Enable and Magical deep into the straight he will be hard to keep out of the frame.....but receiving 7lbs in the race he’s best suited when his rivals aren’t he is a big price at 16/1 or 14/1 EW.

I make him more 6/1 or 7/1 now the opposition and conditions are clearer.

enable almost a stone better animal than telecaster. I will give up the game if he wins this.

Enable is obviously the best horse in the race

It all depends on how you define best. She's undoubtedly got the best CV here. I say she definitely isn't the fastest.

Fair enough. He’s not bomb proof and 14/1.
There are big question marks over most of the field. Last year’s Dante winner did ok the race last year and we are only looking for top 3
I would suggest watching the Dante again if you are bored.

wouldnt surprise me if this gets cut up this morning to under 8 runners, betting suggests on here only around 4/5  def runners

I personally dont think he will run, we,ll see around 10.00

dead 8 go, enable, magical,regal, mustashry, telecaster, zabeel, danceteria , hunting horn,Get on telecaster 16/1 365 now eway

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/coral-eclipse-confirmed-runners-and-riders-superstar-enable-faces-seven-rivals/388689

The Aidan O'Brien-trained Magical will have the benefit of race fitness having ran four times this season, most recently when second to Crystal Ocean in the Prince of Wales’s Stakes at Royal Ascot

Funny how some people see this as a benefit when I see it as very much a negative.

Can`t entertain Telecaster against proven Gp1 performers. Will be an interesting tactical race with plenty of pace on with Enable well up there and kicking for home early in the straight. Magical will be having her 5th race of the season but seems to take her racing well. I expect Enable to win but will be backing Magical each way.

I love nothing better than laying odds on favs. Enable is having her first run in many months, and she's stepping back in trip at a track which doesn't especially favour 12f specialists at 10f if the ground is fast, which it will be - another factor which isn't an obvious positive. Like Figgis, I don't think she was quite as good as the hype suggests last year, and I also feel this is a dodgy bit of placement by a trainer with 'previous' this season. However, even at 1.9ish, you still need horses running for you, and I'm struggling to see this race as a lay. We have to assume the mare is fit enough to run somewhere near her best, and of the remainder, only Magical has the proven form at this trip to challenge her. I am not as keen as Figgis to oppose horses due to fatigue but this comes pretty soon after what must have been a hard race at Ascot, and Enable has more class than her. Magical simply isn't a big enough price for me. Regal Reality is being thrown into the deep end sooner than ideal. Unexposed over 10f, he has loads of potential but I didn't like the way he hung under pressure first time out. That might have been the trip or first-time-out tiredness talking, but he's no great price for a colt with lots to prove. If there is value in the race, it would have to be Mustashry for me. I'm not sure he'll be thriving at the **** end of a gruelling 10 furlongs, but he's a grinder and I think this track on fast ground will be ideal for him. I was a touch disappointed at Ascot and maybe that's as good as he is, but I felt he was asked to travel and quicken there, which is not his bag. He might just be staying on as others tire here. I don't think Telecaster's ready for this, much as I'd like to see him do well, and Zabeel Prince has too much to prove at the trip. Win bet Mustashry, and forecast Enable to beat him.

Enable has more class than her

I disagree with that Howellsy. I'm sure that Magical has progressed past Enable now, although we don't really know if Enable has improved again until she comes out.

Howellsy, yes she beat Magical fair and square in America as most thought she would. I couldn't have backed Magical to beat her that day but I did say she wouldn't be far behind her unless Enable improved on her Arc form, which she didn't and that's exactly how it panned out. I disagree that Enable's prep affected her negatively at all. She had a nice easy training gallop at Kempton on very favourable weight terms against Crystal Ocean who was already spent for the season. The Arc she won was crap so really shouldn't have taken much out of her. On the other hand Magical went to America only 2 weeks after a hard race at Ascot. You only need to see how far Magical beat Waldgeist at Ascot compared to Enable against him in the Arc. I admit that collateral form lines can be dubious but on this occasion it is also backed up firmly by the times.

If Enable had run in the POW I strongly believe she'd have been comfortably beaten and finished close to Waldgeist, who has slightly improved this year. It's a pity, for me at least, that Magical wasn't held back for this instead of running in the POW, as I would've been lumping on her here. Unfortunately I now have to rely on a less confident plan B

I have big doubts you’ll get conclusive proof of anything on Saturday. Every runner has big negatives they will need to overcome.
Enable is running over a distance that she will probably never run over again EVER and was beaten on her only attempt. Her class may see her through as these aren’t world beaters but evens isn’t really much value.
I’m just trying to think how the race might be run and who might get conditions in their favour. The poster who said Enable would kick clear coming into the straight is thinking of a different race to me if she is in front of Hunting Horn or Telecaster then she’ll be running faster than blue point.
This is a great opportunity for Telecaster, Royal, Mustashry or even Zabeel to win a big one. It wouldn’t be a big surprise if you take a step back and look at race objectively.

a fair second to Crystal Ocean

Yes, CO horse who has just clocked a time as good as Cirrus Des Aigles over 10f, which is about 13lbs more than anything Enable has ever done without the weight allowance. As I said after Treve won her first Arc, these mid summer 10f events often take a lot more winning (speed) than an end of season Arc. Treve was found out and she was a 3lbs better winner of the Arc, in my view.