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Add to that Figgis I have a 20/1 Derby/Arc double as well.
Let's hope you have more 'luck' than with the triple crown bet  |
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Thank you for the example S. That is what Figgis does by taking a sentence out of context in order to try to prove a banal point.
It only shows the everyday market can be right so trying to second guess it could be a waste of time. This is what you wrote S. my experience across 40 years of gambling is that many people who have made fortunes in business or finance or who are successful in other spheres, come to horse racing and assume that they will be equally as good at it. Bookmakers love these people because they are the biggest mugs going |
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I thought the Triple Crown included the St Leger. I must be getting old.
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Thank you for the example S. That is what Figgis does by taking a sentence out of context in order to try to prove a banal point.
I have to address each point in turn because a)your posts wildly go off in all directions and b)they are often filled with rewrites of what has actually been said. |
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My mistake, your Guineas, Derby, Arc bet
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That is correct brigust1 but why do you think that I was referring to you? I was making the point that to be successful at making a living from gambling it is necessary to give it as much attention with as much dedication as is required in being successful in any other form of business.
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It only shows the everyday market can be right so trying to second guess it could be a waste of time.
So we've established if Australia's best available price on the day is 4/7 and conditions are perfect you will be backing him at those odds. Is the market right or wrong to price him as such? If you're having a bet then what are you doing if not attempting to beat the market? |
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It only shows the everyday market can be right so trying to second guess it could be a waste of time.
To misquote Ronald Reagan...there you go again drawing the wrong conclusion and proving the point |
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I have spent all this time saying I do not bet according to the price because I think the market gets it right and I bet accordingly.
I have been insulted, ridiculed and abused by those who think that is idiotic. Now S comes out and says that actually the market does get it right. Ffs. Why did I think that because you were talking to me. Still got your dancing shoes on S? That's an old one. Why is it you guys treat everyone else like they are mugs. Why are you incapable of having a discussion without copying and pasting something written 10 seconds beforehand? Why can you not respect the fact that some people do it differently? I think anyone who feels the need to write down a number against horse in order to compare it with another horse is silly. I think anyone who wastes his time trying to beat the market when the rewards are infinitesimal is silly. But if you guys make it pay and we can have a good grown up debate about it that's great. But you are incapable of that. At the risk of repeating myself Figgis because I am not trying to be clever, like you, if Australia has his optimal conditions next week I see nothing in the race that can beat him so I will have a good bet on him on the day at the best price I can get. At the risk of repeating myself Figgis because I am not trying to be clever, like you, if Australia has his optimal conditions next week I see nothing in the race that can beat him so I will have a good bet on him on the day at the best price I can get. At the risk of repeating myself Figgis because I am not trying to be clever, like you, if Australia has his optimal conditions next week I see nothing in the race that can beat him so I will have a good bet on him on the day at the best price I can get. I have copied it a couple of times for you to save you copying again. |
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I have spent all this time saying I do not bet according to the price because I think the market gets it right
if Australia has his optimal conditions next week I see nothing in the race that can beat him The first post says the market gets it right. The second post says nothing can beat Australia, if so then surely the market has it wrong. Which is it? |
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Why is it you guys treat everyone else like they are mugs.
I think anyone who feels the need to write down a number against horse in order to compare it with another horse is silly. I think anyone who wastes his time trying to beat the market when the rewards are infinitesimal is silly. Silly but not mugs, eh?  |
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OK I shall withdraw as I've been drawn in when I had no intention of doing so.One on one is fairer.
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I don't even know what the market on the day will be. What are you on about? If by that you mean not having a bet today the reason is not all of the bookies have priced up and the over round on here is around 140%. If you bet under those circumstances that's up to you. I wouldn't say you were a mug for doing so but I think it would be silly with so many unknowns.
I think it is silly and a waste of time yet I am open to being convinced otherwise. But I would not have the temerity to say anyone who does it is a mug. There is a huge difference. |
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If I backed Australia today at the odds on offer you may suggest, if you thought it, that it was a silly thing to do when I could wait until nearer the day with little risk of variance. But to say I was a mug is a different matter altogether. Surely you understand that.
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What are you on about? If by that you mean not having a bet today
There we go with another rewrite. So we've established if Australia's best available price on the day is 4/7 and conditions are perfect you will be backing him at those odds. If he's that price on the day, you will be backing him at that price on the day. |
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Rewrite? Where did I write that before?
What part of 'if Australia has his optimal conditions next week I see nothing in the race that can beat him so I will have a good bet on him on the day at the best price I can get' did you not understand? |
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We go from this
I will have a good bet on him on the day at the best price I can get' To my response So we've established if Australia's best available price on the day is 4/7 and conditions are perfect you will be backing him at those odds. And somehow we get to this If by that you mean not having a bet today the reason is not all of the bookies have priced up  |
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Have you been drinking? For two days I have been saying I think Australia will win and I will back him on the day at the best price I can get. For two days all and sundry has been on at me for not knowing what price to back him at. And when I say I will back him at whatever price the market dictates, well, I was called everything going. Now it appears the market gets it just about right most times.
Do you guys not think this has been a whole waste of time because I am going to do what I have always said I am going to do? So basically the last two days have been a waste of time. Why don't we learn from that? Why don't we simply debate the merits of the runners. What is and is not likely to run. What we intend to back and what price we would like. And in doing so can we refrain from insulting each other or trying to score imaginary points? That is what I think a forum is for where everyone can benefit. |
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I'll try it again
So we've established if Australia's best available price on the day is 4/7 and conditions are perfect you will be backing him at those odds. Is the market right or wrong to price him as such? If you're having a bet then what are you doing if not attempting to beat the market? |
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And the other question that was conveniently swerved
I have spent all this time saying I do not bet according to the price because I think the market gets it right if Australia has his optimal conditions next week I see nothing in the race that can beat him The first post says the market gets it right. The second post says nothing can beat Australia, if so then surely the market has it wrong. Which is it? |
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When will it end? Will summer be over before it does? Will I live to see another thread? Is there hope for us at all? Aaarrghhh.
talking of arrrrgh sandown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0RSHFoRbiE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqEn7AAq5E OK I shall withdraw as I've been drawn in when I had no intention of doing so.One on one is fairer. such weakness being shown!! no one likes a quitter sandown get back in there pal |
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You cannot see yourself for what you are Figgis. You are trying to extract even the minutest piece of information to try to prove a totally insignificant point.
I do not STUDY THE MARKET because I think the market gets it right ON THE DAY. Are you with me? I will not have a bet at these prices because there are too many variables for my liking. Are you still with me? I do not study the market so I have no idea whether or not I am 'beating the market' as you put it. According to S beating the market is nowhere near as easy as it used to be so trying to beat it sounds like a total waste of time to me. I didn't say the market gets it right S did. All I said is I try to get the best price available. I do not study the market. I will tell you what Figgis. Why not be a clever arse and tell everyone now, today, what the prices for the Juddmonte will be on the day? And what price I should be taking. Then we can all look back and realise what a gifted person we have on our mist. Let us all bow to your prowess. Otherwise can we not get back to debating the Juddmonte International 2014? |
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I didn't say the market gets it right S did
I have spent all this time saying I do not bet according to the price because I think the market gets it right  |
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Otherwise can we not get back to debating the Juddmonte International 2014?
You have said you believe Australia cannot be beat, what is there to debate? |
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Hooray. Have we reached the end? That is what I have been saying all along. I'm worn out.
Can this be a Damascene moment? Please? Onwards and upwards. Does that mean we can get back to the race? Please? |
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I will have a good bet on him on the day at the best price I can get'
I do not STUDY THE MARKET because I think the market gets it right ON THE DAY. Why would anybody place a bet on a market ON THE DAY if believing the market gets it right ON THE DAY? |
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I don't really like blood sports Harry
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Afternoon, harry
Question for you. Would you back a horse on the day if you believed the market was right on the day? |
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Oh no. Just when I thought it was safe to get back in the water.........
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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
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The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Four legs good, two legs bad. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Don't do it H. |
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This above all; to thine oneself be true.
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If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? And if you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge?
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Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible.
A more fitting Orwell quote for those who think Australia cannot be beat. |
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I heard he sang a good song, I heard he had a style. And so I came to see him and listen for a while. And there he was this young. a stranger in my eyes.
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young boy
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I could stay home every night,
Wait around till the price is right. Take cold showers every day, And throw my life away, On a dream that won't come true. |
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Can we get back to the race please? Pretty please?
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Can we get back to the race please? Pretty please?
What points of view could you possibly be interested in when the fav cannot be beaten and should be backed on the day at the best possible price available, whatever that may be? |