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By:
Fallen Angel
When: 01 Sep 14 13:38
Not a great deal of movement in this market although there still seems to be a lot of deadwood. I assume the supplementary stage will clear it out, if he runs which will obviously be ground dependent I could see KH going off much shorter than the current 3/1 considering his price for the great Voltigeur prior to his withdrawl. It looks a weak race outside the top few in the betting.
By:
sintonian
When: 01 Sep 14 17:36
GV was over 12f though so on form he had to be 6/4. But agree he will go off shorter than 3/1.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 03 Sep 14 10:30
yeah agree, the market to me doesn't make much sense. I can count at least 5/6 horses which I don't think will run and they are making up about 10-15% of the book. Snow Sky and KH are being inflated by this. I've taken the 3/1 NRNB with b365
By:
sageform
When: 04 Sep 14 01:22
I thought that Snow Sky ran a great trial at York. He was given a very tender ride in the last furlong when the winner had flown and was too far back earlier to get competitive. I expect him to start favourite unless the going is on the soft side.a
By:
stevo1
When: 04 Sep 14 08:12
Backed Snow Sky 8/1 e/w nr no bet,looks rock solid with doubts over Fav running and not staying?
By:
sintonian
When: 06 Sep 14 21:35
Next weekend. Hopefully Windshear can do far better than Census.
By:
sintonian
When: 07 Sep 14 15:22
14mm overnight rain at Donny?
By:
BJG
When: 07 Sep 14 16:08
Would take that 14mm with a pinch of salt (and the ground description)
By:
BlazingWalker
When: 07 Sep 14 17:27
No rain forecast at all next week
By:
mac99
When: 08 Sep 14 19:44
Think  the Hartnel run in the Voligeur may be a little  misleading , his trainer  usually  has his quality  Horses roaring in the summer months so it was a surprise to me that  Hartnel  did not put up a better show in the Voltigeur   . He  looks the type for the SL  his defeat of Windsheer  at Newmarket  was very clear cut in a valuable Race . Some people say the trainer runs his horses into the ground  but this is not true when it comes to his classier Types .  KH  is becoming the most frustrating  horse to follow  and may well be pulled out again  given the  current weather.
By:
sintonian
When: 08 Sep 14 19:50
Kingston Hill has had an awful prep for this race imo. Never looked a stayer to me either, more just a 12f horse or maybe 10f if there is soft ground.
By:
KING OF HULL
When: 08 Sep 14 21:02
Kinston Hill the weakest favourite I think I've ever seen. Not going to bother finding the winner just going to lay the Varian runner who has disappointed since his awesome 2yo campaign as I really cannot see him being even placed (stamina????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????)Tongue Out
By:
JOCI Club
When: 08 Sep 14 22:00
Kingston Hill has run more like a stayer than anything else to my eyes. Maybe that's why I prefer the jumps.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 09 Sep 14 08:05
This looks quite a poor St Leger to me with nothing really outstanding.

Of those at the head of the market I suppose Romsdal must have a chance just becasue he has always been Gosden's St Leger horse. He did disappoint at Ascot though. If you forgave him that one run and his Epsom 3rd looks okay. he looks like a stayer too.

Snow Sky looks solid too and also looks like he'll stay. As someone else noted his run at York was decent as the winner there looks interesting maybe in the Arc this year!

The apparent zero rainfall looks an issue for the favourite sadly for connections.

My personal choices are Odeon Shocked; he is a total nutter imo who has never yet shown his best form as he goes crazy before the start and then puuld his head off in the early stages. If (a very big if agreed) he chose to behave, he could be a massive improver on what he has done so far. A tiny bet at 100 is all that is required on this dodgepot. He is pretty good I reckon if only he allowed himself the chance to show it.

The other one at a big price is KingfisherWink. He was identified as Ballydoyles Ledger horse ages ago. He has had a "Duke Of Marmalade" preparation for his own group 1 race -  ie being used as a pacemaker by Aiden O'Brien so you can forget about a few of his runs.

Whilst its irritating that Coolmore have so many middle distance Galileo's in their stable that they can afford to use a good horse as a simple pacemaker, it does have a silver lining. If Kingfisher had been trained conventionally and everyone could see how good he really is, he would be a deal shorter in the betting.
By:
BJG
When: 09 Sep 14 09:03
Kingfisher a v unlikely runner here
By:
sintonian
When: 09 Sep 14 11:28
yep, Kingfisher is likely to be used as Australia's pacemaker at Leopardstown.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 09 Sep 14 14:07
@Joci club, I felt exactly the same after his run in the Eclipse, derby run at a good clip and he was sticking on all the way to the line. Felt in the Eclipse he was given a fairly poor ride over an inadequate trip and again ran on after the race was lost. Expect them to go a slightly slower pace than the derby which should suit him fine from a stamina perspective.
By:
sageform
When: 10 Sep 14 06:14
Kingston Hill is the logical fav if it runs but with fast going seeming very likely, I am still a big fan of Snow Sky who has been handled with kid gloves so far.
By:
BJG
When: 10 Sep 14 11:18
KH taken out of the Niel so runs here no matter wat the ground by the looks of it
By:
cryoftruth
When: 10 Sep 14 16:18
Having has another good look I would certainly not put anyone off Snow Sky. However I quite fancy Winsheer to reverse Goodwood form. There was only a neck in it Goodwood and I am sure that course would have suited Snow Sky better (he liked Lingfield).

Winsheer seems to me to be the most likely to not just get the etxra 2.5 fls. okay but to improve most for it as his breeding screams stamina. He looks like a possible future Cup horse so has a chance of improving significantly over the trip.
By:
sageform
When: 10 Sep 14 18:59
Snow Sky looks tailor made for the long Doncaster straight to me and for the first time in his life, he is likely to be asked to give his maximum effort.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 10 Sep 14 21:50
wondered into a bookies today to eat my lunch ,the sponsers of the st leger ,they were offering 7/1  as a special snow sky  ,and if you back a winner over 4/1 with them at donny this week you get a free bet matching your steak up to 25 .
backed snow sky @ 7/1 e/w with them .
By:
breadnbutter
When: 10 Sep 14 21:52
1/4 the odds as well .
By:
kincsem
When: 10 Sep 14 22:52
Kingston Hill for me.  There is a lot of chaff in the race.
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 11 Sep 14 05:54
just wondering at what time RV states that KH wont run because of the ever drying ground ? Will he even bother declaring him ??
By:
liberator of the oppressed
When: 11 Sep 14 06:03
JWH nope he won't. Looking out across the racecourse bit of mist but looks to be a fine day. Good card and I'm off down there for a snifter or two.
By:
IrisDeBalme
When: 11 Sep 14 06:56
Best horse in the race Kingston Hill... but suprised he will turn up for this ... ground will be a lot faster than antcipated and I dont think will bring out the best in the horse.

People taking 5/2 or 11/4 antepost should have their heads checked ...will be 4s morning of the race...

I like Windshear and Snow Sky - those are my ideas of the winner

Although will be ironic if Scotland wins that will be a topical winner!
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 11 Sep 14 09:59
14 decleared, only Kingfisher is withdrawn. Final antepost line up is:
Alex my boy, OR 105
Forever Now, OR 106
GrandDukeofTuscany, OR 105
Hartnell, OR 110
Kings Fete, 0R 104
Kingston Hill, OR 120
Marzoco, OR 107
Min Alemarat, OR 95
Odeon, OR 103
Romsdal, OR 115
Scotland, OR 109
Snow Sky, OR 111
Somewhat, OR 109
Windshear OR 110
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Sep 14 11:15
Are you not worried about Snow Sky messing around in the pre-lims like he did at Goodwood. I know that did not stop him winning but over an extra 2.5f it would.
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Sep 14 11:16
Stall 3 for Windshear looks ok. KH is in 4 and Hartnell, who will presumably run from the front, is in stall 6. Windshear can sit in the first 4 or 5 and be relatively prominent.
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Sep 14 11:17
With any luck, he'll be in a good position to strike off the home bend.
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Sep 14 13:42
On times the ground seems reasonably quick.
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Sep 14 14:41
Day of race market now up.
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Sep 14 14:45
Racing Post ‏@RacingPost  3m
Varian warns St Leger favourite Kingston Hill unlikely runner unless course is watered.


Disgraceful if they water. No need.
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Sep 14 15:11
Form of the Bahrain Trophy is working out nicely. Excited
By:
Figgis
When: 11 Sep 14 15:14
Think most people would agree KH's career best was his 2nd in the Derby, on ground that had to be good to firm judging by the clock. The horse was then pulled out of the Irish Derby on slower ground over what would appear his most suitable trip only to be dropped in trip for the Eclipse on ground that was as fast as at Epsom on Derby day. I see no reason why this horse is supposed not to handle good to firm ground and his 3yo record could've been a bit better with better placement by connections. I hope the clerk waters only if he sees it necessary and not because of Varian's tiresome ultimatums.
By:
IrisDeBalme
When: 11 Sep 14 15:20
Would be disgraceful if they watered for one horse...

and pressure from connections...

they should have considered the risks when they declared him on Thursday...
By:
ease
When: 11 Sep 14 15:29
Don't think Varian should be trying to get them to water by making a statement like that. Would be totally unfair on Stoute's two runners who need it on faster side. There will be perfect ground just on the quicker side of good if they don't mess around with it.
By:
zilzal1
When: 11 Sep 14 15:37
Well the Clerks made a rod for his own back over this given he said there was "Ease in the Ground" and can hardly water when he's given descriptions of g/s on a stick reading of 7.6 when he gave 7.0 today

This years fixture in June was on a 9.8 reading according to turftrax going stick archive
By:
mary hinge
When: 11 Sep 14 15:50
Clerk of the Course has said "we have never watered for this fixture and wont now!"

Unless weather changes KH will be out
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