The ground on the stand side looked yellowish.  Was there watering, and did they miss that bit?  The track is narrow and he didn't lose much distance moving over.
He was probably superior, but I would like to see him prove it by moving away from the front of the field, not away from the field.
The course looked a bit unkempt, like a small provincial UK/Ireland track, not impressive.

Talking of the Fielden  , strange to remember that Somewhat ran behind  TS in that , what a transformation , he looked a good Horse before the Racing Post Trophy last year , indeed some of us backed him for that , clearly wants firm ground  and positive ride .

33.13 more like it for final 3f if that pole is the 3 marker on the bend. Wouldn't have a clue meself about Hamburg...

because historically the Derby is a MUCH better race.

I remain convinced we have have seen a very exceptional 3yrld,how they cope with the older sorts remains too be seen!

lots of rain in germany(very like wales)

I was at Hamburg yesterday and can confirm the course has more of a provincial/P2P feel than a Group One track. Many punters just pitching up with tables, chairs & umbrellas to take in the action - it was swelteringly hot.

Geoffrey Chaucer looked the standout horse in the paddock, so from a form perspective it was a shame he got struck into and could give his running.

As a huge fan of Sea The Moon, I still these current Arc quotes are ridiculous. I think he should be closer to 16s. Untapped potential but still unfurnished and certainly wouldn't win a beauty contest. The opposition really wasn't up to much and a lot of races on the undercard were being won by ludicrous distances.

RacingPost Rating; 120

Virtually same rating for TGG and STM. One beat Wild Chief by less than four lengths, the other beat him by 14 lenghts. If you factor in the 2f extra and that a hampered  Wild Chief was actually running on in the Prix du Jockey Club, while STM was heavily eased down the difference is probably even bigger. It is by far the best three year old form and that performance was easily superior to Australia. Of course the RacingPost has to protect the British/Irish owners and races and pretend otherwise. As of right now it would make more sense to give TGG and Lucky Lion the same rating.

Exactly brigust! I'm not having ago at anyone who does their own ratings, every one to their own but if they do and they are saying Sea The Moon put up such a great figure then put your money on your judgement. I've backed him at 12s just on the fact of the visual impression, he looked like a machine. The form to me is a massive question mark as I'm not over sure what he beat as some definitely ran below par. You are betting on potential rather than anything else, that was only his third run and it was easily his best performance. Also in the Arc what will the opposition be? Australia I'd be doubtful he'll make the line up, do they want to take the chance of him being beaten? Treve has to come back? Then after that? If all goes well and his makes the Arc then maybe we will see that Sea The Moon is no machine but I'm willing to put my neck on the line at the 12's He definitely has the potential to be a monster but only time will time.

Oh no I'll cancel my bet if that's his fourth run No that's where I looked as well but he's still lightly raced. Like I say we will see how good he is?

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Even more interesting that the horse quickened and strecch out after leading 18 rivals(ffs have you ever seen a race before) Mind you I believe the trainer and jockey idiots for giving the horse a harder race than nessesary,and still no great rating for the effort?(is it worth it)

If you choose to ignore the facts from what the jockey has reported, then more fool you. Performances like Sea The Moon's are rare so it is only commen sense to question it because then you can begin to understand it. Why would you get angry about that?

MJ, given you think the ratings experts have Sea The Moon's rating wrong, and you think the horse has put up the best 3yo performance of the season but neglected to take the double figure prices for the Arc that were around after the race, can I ask you if you know anything about betting? Fair question, methinks.

I think it was michael stoute that said something like"no pro would bet until the day",(well i aint no pro ,but michael is correct)

hi mac,possible,but not sure they want to take on the older bunch just yet?

,The signs are that the 3yrlds could do with another couple of months,but would also like to see how they get on,remember in a good year the likes of workforce could not do it.

For many years I have made money from ante-post, it is becoming more difficult now
especially with the new influx of trainers who are not aware of protecting a handicap
mark, or just ignoring protecting, I would refer anyone to ROCKY GROUND high enough
in the handicap but picked up a penalty for the WOKINGHAM, the same trainer won
with a horse which was re-assessed to the tune of 9 lbs higher, the horse was successful
at the higher assessment whereas in days gone by the mark would have remained the same
as before his win and would have only gone up 5 lbs, even then but would still have been 9 lbs
lower, the horse is a gelding so a stud career would not have been a concern!!!!

The lion roared,confirmation that Sea The Moon was not beating trees(possibly non stayers) but that is good enough for me. 9 lengths in front of that in the German Derby,after making pace and showing turn of foot 2f out(some horse this)