You that just shows just how little you know and how bigotted you are. Are we finally seeing the real Figgis?

As you already know Timeforms figures are wrong. They know they are wrong that is why their leader utters similar diatribe about me that you utter. When you cannot prove your point for others to belive you then attack the poster. Two peas in a pod. If they have the rating of Frankel wrong then it goes to say the horses they rated through him are wrong also. Something you know very well and it only belittles you that once again you attack the poster and not the post. You really are screwed up about me Figgis. Get over it.
Will you look at yourself? You have swung from one point to another as you wildly dive from one point to another as every one is dealt with succinctly. You really should take a good look at yourself Figgis.
Now the wife waiting in the car so I am off out.

figgis,brigust is trying to find winners not rate them,his methods from what i have read in his posts,do make more sense than some made up race standard figure,which makes non.

I do believe Brigust does indeed study ratings,we all of us have no choice,with the amount that are run,but we are all human ,this is a forum and sometimes we express conflicting views ,it is the human interaction and moods that make it so,I contradict myself too much,but lets not fall out

We need different opinions figgis,He was correct with Kingman the horse did not improve for the trip and was outstayed by NOT whom he had beat out of sight over 7f,I would say that was a good observation.

* a bit incredible

Well looking back at the recent Group 1 races starting from the Champion Stakes I certainly never said that wasn't a Group 1 race

The reason is because the 'Champion' Stakes is a joke.
If CDA wins they say he is back to his best.
If Farhh wins with CDA in 2nd he will be credited with beating a back to his best CDA.
What is ignored is that this is a race for these two to lose.

Hunter's Light isn't Gr1 class.
Main Sequence is unreliable at best. And on form is not good enough.
Mukhadram is Gr2 at best.
Parish Hall is not good enough.
Hillstar, possibly Gr2, has been passed over, rightly, by Moore and only just beat the outsider last time.
Morandi is not good enough.
Ruler of the World will want a huge pace but could be the only fly in the ointment. Never had a race in the Arc so who knows?
Triple Treat is not good enough.

What a crock of s h i t. We are headed for another dose of hype tomorrow just as served up by Fig when he said Farhh's Lockinge was the best win of the season. Rubbish. Complete rubbish.


Oh dear, brigust, I realise that when you write so much bollocks it must be difficult to remember what you've said, but do try to be consistent

Then we have the 2000 Guineas I certainly never said that wasn't a Group 1 race.

I have little doubt the best 3 horses finished in the first three but when you consider the next three home were Shifting Power (Compton Place 6.6f), Charm School (Invincible Spirit 7.1f) and the Spanish horse who is now going for the July Cup then it looks like a sprint in anything but name. In fact if you take out the winner who s bred to be at least a miler and Australia then Kingman beat three sprinters home.

I have to admire your creativity here in bringing a race down, brig, you're now resorting to removing the winner and third horse

Well done to OG backers.

People always like to say the Lockinge is a poor G1 but I don't see it myself. It's early season and the starting point for many but whilst it's not the Queene Anne if you look at the recent history it is always generally won by top class performers. There are usually decent horses in behind as well.

Thought Verrazano ran well for his first race over here on a new surface. Joseph said he was green! There are very few animals in training as impressive to look at as this beast and I'd say similar to Dec Of War you can expect him to improve with racing.
Olympic Glory was very impressive. I'm not drop sure he's in need of soft ground he needs a flat straight mile to be seen at his best whatever the conditions and he got that on Saturday. Tullius does look in the form of his life and was race fit.

Was disappointed to see Montiridge ridden as a pacemaker with no prior hint from connections. Makes these columns and quotes in the press absolutely pointless. Obviously they don't want to give away tactics but they shouldn't pretend they are expecting him to run a big race. Very poor form. A lot of people saw him as a great e/w bet early in the day but had done their money the second the gate opened.

With regards to what, Bread and butter?

Good morning Figgis the snake. I find it masterful how you twist words around to suit your agenda.
The interesting thing is you obviously hang on my every word. What a disturbing twisted mind you must have. You have posted on numerous threads on here on a daily basis yet I' m dam ned if I can think of anything you have said. I suppose that says more about you than it does aboutme.
Let me deal with your points. One at a time.

I think the point you skipped over in your usual snake way was that you accused me of saying the same thing about Group 1s not being Group 1s. I cannot see any evidence of this but why would you let that get in the way of your small mind? It simply appears from the points you raised that I made a pretty fair asessment of every race. I had forgotten, thank you for reminding me.

1) The first thing you said to me on this thread was about NEVER commenting BEFORE a race yet now you are picking out my comments BEFORE the Champion Stakes. What a twisted confused indidual you are.
Does this now mean I DO comment BEFORE races therefore rubbishing your earlier diatribe on this thread?

2)You constantly accuse AOB of hype yet when I said the Champion S takes would be hyped that is wrong. How is it you are allowed to rant your agenda yet I am not?

3)Your point about the 2000 Gns is just your snake way of interpreting a point. If you read it again you will see that I said 'the best three horses finished in the first three. Was that true? The point about the potential sprinters was true. They are potential sprinters. It is true. I never arranged the result that is where they finished.
But the fact is the truth and you are strangers Figgis. If you don't like the truth you manipulate it to suit your own agenda.

4)Was there anything I wrote about the Arc won by Treve that was untrue? As I said before you despise AOB for hypeing his horses yet anyone else responding to the constant daily hype of everything is wrong. Why let the facts and the truth get in the way of a good dose of hype? As I said Figgis you and the truth are strangers.

I must say though Fiiggis I find it extremely flattering, though a bit disturbing, that you can respond and comment at will about things I have said months and sometimes years ago. I have never seen anything like it on this whole forum. And the thing is I couldn't remember a single thing you have said on this entire forum either.
You have a total inability to address the issues of the day on their own merits and then when your nasty, bitchy comment is dealt with you rapidly move onto another that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread at all.

I have said it before and I will say it again. You are a snake. Cunning, slimy, wriggly and not to be trusted.

Figgis it is clear You have an agenda but be sure I will address your agenda and shove it right down your throat. I would shove it up your arris but you spend most of you time speaking out of that so the opportunity will be rarer.

And finally can I add your comments about the letters to the Racing Post. Again I am flattered thst you think it was me and equally flattered that you remmber them. A little disturbing though. Anyway as far a the letters go, if my memory serves, there were 6 letters in the last two and a half years. So thst is 6 letters from a potential 1500. An avalanche.
Also if I remember correctly one was an open letter to the BHA about the quality of this era. One was about Brigadier Gerard's stud career in response to errors made in their paper. One was about the good quality of Danedream's Arc therefore boosting Frankel. One was about Treve's Arc and the hype. Andfinally on was about the World Thoroughbred Rankings. None mentiined Timeform.
Do want everone to dance to your tune? I thought the wonderous thing about this or any forum was that DIFFERENT points ofview were discussed. The fact that my point of view is constant should be a good thing and easy to address. This is a free society and anyone can put pen to paper. But some small minded individuals like you Figgis would rather snake around in the grass. Disturbing and very, very sad.

you accused me of saying the same thing about Group 1s not being Group 1s. I cannot see any evidence of this

a jaundiced view on current day Gp1s

Not quite the same thing really is it? But if you can point me to the evidence it would be helpful.

1) The first thing you said to me on this thread was about NEVER commenting BEFORE a race yet now you are picking out my comments BEFORE the Champion Stakes. What a twisted confused indidual you are.

Yes fair dues, those comments were pre-race for a change. Your aftertiming views were mainly strong insinuations that Farhh's victory was due to foul play.

Brigust, I think you'll find that all my posts, unlike yours, have been very consistent with my original points, that you rarely put up posts concerning the outcome of a race or perceived value, and that you're far more interested in berating the quality of today's horses.

well done figgis, with your form guide of the lockinge, read your comments, had already made up my mind on the race few days earlier.
next time will post views before the race, dont know why anyone would think montiridge would be able to win a group 1 race let alone turnaround the form with tullius LTO. there is nothing to suggest that horse is capable of winning at the top level, seems was fancied
by a few people on the day. will be interesting to see how VERRAZANO does this season, after winning easily at group 1 level, has been
beaten since then and (profile suggests) he was most likely exhausted at the end of a long season 2013.

well done figgis, with your form guide of the lockinge, read your comments, had already made up my mind on the race few days earlier.
next time will post views before the race, dont know why anyone would think montiridge would be able to win a group 1 race let alone turnaround the form with tullius LTO. there is nothing to suggest that horse is capable of winning at the top level, seems was fancied
by a few people on the day.

a pint at the arms for you sir...

you must of thought the lochinge had lots of group 1 winning turf horses running roadrunner and lots of horses with a rating/form far superior to what montiridge has achieved in the past...

if you have a look at the form there was not pal, except the favourite and people thinking the form maybe turned round with tullius were thinking his best form had been on quick ground and tullius best form had been with cut and he had had a prep run before sandown...

no matter montiridge ran like a drain and you are now right after the event




interesting lots of ranting although enjoyed masterminded write up...i just wanted to pop on just to say apologies for putting anyone away with the O.P saturday and did put a lot of time in for nothing, with the ground being the major angle as was soft in the week - no-one did there nuts more than me i can assure you, just the way it is going at the moment...

the game is tough enough when you are putting decent money down on horses finishing last and it is even more painful when you are against a horse who pizzed up...anyway back to the drawing board as am getting anally penetrated at present with 2 bets in a week that have finished last...something is wrong with the race reading at present, so need to have a month form boost and hope the confidence returns...

a friend of mine wants me to find him a nag at the doncaster sales this week answers on a postcard please

Problem with this Lochinge thread was that it was put up late , had it gone up a week or two  earlier the   points made by Figgis in relation to the variance in ground descriptions from country to country may have been affirmed or contested by other time evaluators on here .

I would have found such a debate very useful
and  may well have gone for the fav if others agreed with his conclusions 

Would like to hear more on that, from those that have something to say .

no offence to me roadrunner

take a look at the horses profile, keeps getting beat all the time at group 2 and 3 level, what has the horse done to suggest that its capable at the highest level, nothing.

interesting roadrunner so would you of had montiridge getting beat 22 lengths pre-race or should i say, do you believe he ran to his level...considering he was beat at the 2 pole on saturday??

are you saying his profile said he would run like he did against these horses?? and want credit for it??

it is ok being right after an event if a said horse has run to his potential, however are you are saying montiridge ran to his group 2/3 level or lets say, do you believe he say ran to his jersey stakes form

for me he just ran like a drain and not to his potential

Or even, offence, Americanisms creeping in.

dont think montridge will ever win a group 1 race, doesnt make me any smarter than the next punter. just IMO. you didnt get run for your money which is always disappointing. dont see how you could see the possiblity of it beating tullius, that was an easy winner, and although hasnt won much, starting to improve now, thats another horse that will be group 2/3 level at most. im saying his profile wouldnt make it worthy of consideration for a group 1 race. maybe its horse you have won a few pounds on, and you thought could make the step up into group 1 class, wouldnt put anyone off betting their fav horses, one of the most successful ways to bet is on horses you know and like.

Sorry again, brig, but work to do. You seem to be the embodiment of something I thought was a mythical creature, the carefree successful punter who wins with minimal effort, bets jumping off the page at him that are determined by the simple question of "Will I be surprised if it wins or not?". Unfortunately most of us poor souls have to work for it