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1 of my favourite races.
dynaste fav, but will he run?
1 of my favourite races.
dynaste fav, but will he run?
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Cant see Dynaste going here, do they really want to run under a big weight in a tough race like this so close to the King George? Unlikely! Hadrians Approach for me off 146, improved with every race last year and still think there is more to come.
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Interested in Invictus. Will his beating of Bobs Worth and Silviniaco Conti be a flash in the pan, or will he be a serious horse after the injury?
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I would be gutted if dynaste ran in hennessy hope he goes betfair chase then king George I like harry topper for hennessy entries close noon tomorrow
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I like Harry Topper for this too but just noticed he's been given an entry for Charlie Hall on Sat - if he runs and does well he might end up a bit higher in the handicap - and if he runs and does very well he might end up in the Betfair Chase and the King George!
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I would be surprised if he ran in the Charlie hall if I have it right he would only be getting 2lb off long run whereas in a normal hcp he would get 19lb
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yep, no idea - participation for quite a few of 'em will probably depend on whether LR runs or not.
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http://ow.ly/i/3z31Z/original
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thanks
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harry topper stands out for me but disappointing to read kim bailey doesn't think it would be his race, invictus of interest but would like to see him run first after being off for so long
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NO. HORSE AGE TRAINER OR TS RPR
1/121- Tidal Bay337 12 Paul Nicholls 171 167 174 51155- Cape Tribulation240 9 Malcolm Jefferson 160 131 166 F0211- Katenko308 7 Venetia Williams 157 121 162 1P/2P- Imperial Commander238 12 Nigel Twiston-Davies 153 96 159 13114- Unioniste262 5 Paul Nicholls 153 140 153 43112- Rolling Aces280 7 Paul Nicholls 153 139 159 111UB- Harry Topper221 6 Kim Bailey 152 94 160 21113- Rocky Creek239 7 Paul Nicholls 151 132 154 2P52-U Walkon35 8 Alan King 151 150 155 U355U- Roberto Goldback238 11 Nicky Henderson 151 134 155 20P-11 Balthazar King42 9 Philip Hobbs 150 122 152 1211P- Opening Batsman238 7 Harry Fry 148 132 154 12131- Godsmejudge224 7 Alan King 148 90 153 21224- Super Duty239 7 Donald McCain 148 131 153 6/656- Master Of The Hall294 9 Micky Hammond 148 130 147 13612- Same Difference217 7 Nigel Twiston-Davies 148 139 153 F1103- Cloudy Too245 7 Sue Smith 147 132 154 0830-1 Bouggler63 8 Emma Lavelle 147 129 151 3PFP1- Theatre Guide221 6 Colin Tizzard 147 114 151 P381-1 Triolo D´Alene216 6 Nicky Henderson 147 136 150 1P521- Ackertac227 8 Tim Vaughan 147 98 152 P/124- Our Father294 7 David Pipe 147 102 132 1162- Goulanes227 7 David Pipe 146 99 151 F2235- Hadrian´s Approach217 6 Nicky Henderson 146 131 149 3/U2P- Our Mick224 7 Donald McCain 145 104 152 12734/ Mon Parrain616 7 Paul Nicholls 145 — — 11131/ Invictus651 7 Alan King 145 — — 1P200/ Aiteen Thirtythree672 9 Paul Nicholls 144 — — 23274- Houblon Des Obeaux227 6 Venetia Williams 144 128 150 21521- Poungach259 7 Paul Nicholls 144 130 148 F12501 Twirling Magnet43 7 Jonjo O´Neill 143 120 149 7711- Quentin Collonges217 9 Henry Daly 143 131 145 PPP/4- Quinz280 9 Philip Hobbs 142 127 148 1103- Wyck Hill217 9 David Bridgwater 141 128 146 1/114- Buddy Bolero262 7 David Pipe 141 123 148 111P-0 Well Refreshed42 9 Gary Moore 139 98 151 41220- Merry King263 6 Jonjo O´Neill 137 124 147 R11/P- Victors Serenade413 8 Anthony Honeyball 137 — — 321P8- On Trend217 7 Nick Gifford 136 114 140 1356-2 Highland Lodge34 7 Emma Lavelle 136 142 152 121U5- Loch Ba238 7 Mick Channon 133 127 140 P0/6P- As De Fer233 7 Anthony Honeyball 130 67 107 11021- De La Bech270 6 Philip Hobbs 127 80 128 41222- Tofino Bay221 10 D T Hughes — 111 155 F5-176 On His Own33 9 W P Mullins — 127 144 15U-0P Terminal73 6 W P Mullins — 125 147 51/12- Prince De Beauchene280 10 W P Mullins — 35 156 21372- Vesper Bell218 7 W P Mullins — 111 148 22/P-4 Themoonandsixpence67 10 W P Mullins — 68 122 21015- Argocat221 5 T J Taaffe — 94 136 21231- Lord Windermere262 7 J H Culloty — 123 155 5P-008 Whodoyouthink33 8 Oliver McKiernan — 83 126 412F-4 Dedigout202 7 A J Martin — 111 154 |
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I'm a big fan of Goulanes
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I think it's difficult to have a bet here unless we know if Tidal Bay is running. Weights will differ massively depending on TB's participation.
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Well several ran well today, who are entered for the Hennessy. Tidal bay, Houblon DO, Merry king, Triolo Dalene, Roberto Goldback, Rolling Aces, Argocat until falling. Shaping up nicely, but will Tidal Bay run? Was anything said after the Hurdle win today?
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Rocky Creek would be of interest on soft ground if aimed at the race.
2nd season nov ch is a plus for the race. |
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Hadrian's Approach runs tomorrow for its prep run, only hope it doesn't win too well and blow its mark!
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Any news on the likely participation of Lord Windermere?
The RSA to Hennessey obviously a well worn path and be interesting to see what weight allocated as Irish rating is 154 (I assume UK rating is same) which would mean giving 8lb to Hadrian's Wall for about 8 lengths. A run for Hadrian's Wall would put me off as most winners of this are traditionally first time out this season, ex novices. |
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he seven-year-old crowned a fine novice campaign over fences with victory in the RSA Chase at the Cheltenham Festival in March and connections will be hoping he can return to Prestbury Park for next year's Gold Cup.
With conditions deemed unsuitable in Northern Ireland, he will now head straight for the Hennessy on November 30. Profiles J H Culloty Lord Windermere (IRE) Culloty told @pphorseracing: "Lord Windermere goes straight to the Hennessy. "At Down Royal the ground is kind of yielding but first time out I would like to see more juice so I'm going to avoid it and go straight to Newbury. "He's in brilliant form and I'd love to run, but I'm terrified of running the horse this year on a surface that has a bit of rain on it and the ground is firm underneath. "If I run him later it's too soon to the Hennessy so he'll go straight there." |
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Reckon that performance highland lodge put up against standing ovation giving him lumps of weight looks even better now, 136 could be pretty lenient, HL is a bit of an in and out horse though so you'll be gambling on a going day, but he's right in the mix.
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will he get in?
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He'll definitely get in the Welsh National off that rating.
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Yeah, probably too many in front of him for the Hennessy as judo says there, welsh national looks good as sint says, lavelle is always at pains to say how much this horse loves it like a bog too.
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surely will get revised mark though, through the Ovation form
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The Standing Ovation form aside, The Worcester Novice chase at last years Hennessy meeting in which Highland Lodge was 3rd makes interesting reading a year on. The winner Harry Topper is now rated 153. 2nd Beneficient now rated 157, 4th Houblon des Obeaux now rated 154 and Hadrains Approach who looked like taking a hand in the finish until falling rated 146.My gut instinct is that the Welsh National would be a more realistic target as the Hennessy does tend to go to a horse destined for the top but havent been able to resist taking some 25's just in case the ground comes right.
Can the handicapper reassess the horse now the entries have been made? I thought that was why they had the penalty system. 136 or even a few more pounds would be fine. Emma Lavelle has said after Winacnton that Newbury is the next step - even flagged up the race as a likely target in an ATR stable tour from last December. Best do a rain dance. |
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Godsmejudge interests me. Did nothing but improve last season. Likes to be prominent and in the main a very sound jumper.
Set to carry just over 10st if Tidal Bay stays in |
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Emma Lavelle interview in the RP tomorrow. Probably worth buying given she has a few key horses to key races this season.
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Re: Highland Lodge - On Lavelle's website says Hennessy is next target. Horse is now rated 143 pending any further increase due to SO's win on sat so is gonna get in.
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Well, these are my contenders, not sure which are certain runners
1162- Goulanes227 7 David Pipe 146 99 151 11UB-1 Harry Topper28 6 Kim Bailey 152 112 160 21113- Rocky Creek239 7 Paul Nicholls 151 132 156 3112-1 Rolling Aces28 7 Paul Nicholls 153 139 159 |
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Judo - Where does Merry King fall down? At last years Hennessy meeting over 2m7f Rolling Aces beat him 3/4l in a driving finish. In the Hennessy this year Merry King will be a STONE better off. I appreciate that you can't take every piece of form literally, but at the prices this improving 6 year old ticks plenty of boxes. He might not have the class of a typical winner which is the downside, but he is improving.
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lacks wins in the correct grade and distance for this, I did back him at both the Festival and last time at Ascot, I do like the horse
just being strict to my first principles |
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I don't really like horses in these high class races which are returning from a long injury lay-off, and the form of his last win cannot be taken as literal, but Invictus might be chucked in off 145.
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indeed sint he might be but is priced accordingly now
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Judorick - I really hate this ruling out by strict criteria business but each to his own. I mean you can rule a horse out for losing a nose and if he won a nose he satisfies the criteria - funny business.
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Fair enough Judo appreciate your thoughts. Have already had a small bet on him. Invictus is thrown in IF he comes back and is priced accordingly.
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I think the form of Invictus at Ascot is being over played myself, neither bobs worth (just had a wind op and had done little homework prior) or SC were anywhere near 100% that day and the 3rd horse Alfie Spinner that day was running off 126 on Saturday just gone, I think its mark is about right.
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I do what I do for good reasons and the proof of the pudding etc
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agree about Invictus and have ruled him out
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fair enough - each to his own but lazy man's way of doing things IMO and you'll miss many diamonds with that methodology. You may miss a fair few chunks of fools gold too i guess!
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What I meant re Invictus was, even allowing for the fact that both Bobsworth & SC improved significantly afterwards for one reason or another, they are still rated 170+ and Invictus is 145. He only needs to have 8lb or so in hand to win this race. He could still prove to be vastly inferior to those two horses but win this race given he is only on 145. He is a bit boom or bust, back him win only or as a saver, maybe.
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not many people that know me would call me lazy, that's for fcuking sure!
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