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Real shame GH misses this - a lot of the interest has gone out of the race now.
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I took 80 on GH for the Arc as the Vermeille could be a prep. I've absolutely no doubt though that i've probably wasted more money, and that Gosden probably won't send a filly to the arc ?...it's a long shot, but if Nathaniel goes to the Champion, then she might get a go at the arc...it's a long shot but ahhhhh sigh.
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Not necessarily as the owner seemed to hint that Great Heavens could be her best horse when discusing the golden spell they had a month or so back. I had a small amount at 18 on here and is was only a small amount because there was no way she should be that big.
Looks like I've played the race all wrong and whilst Thought Worthy does now seem a decent each way bet, I shall let it go for mow. Interesting that Gosden is also running a pacemaker, not going to let Camelot win a speed battle |
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Apparently Gosden said Nathaniel is the Arc horse, so yeah i've wasted 20 quid i probably needed. Sighs, you know what they say...if soemthing is toog good to be true....
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Yes Roo. He knows his horses are stamina laden boats. Not only does he want to bring down Camelot but also the trainers championship is at stake. Lads now 10/1 for TW.
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Apparently Gosden said Nathaniel is the Arc horse
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Apparently he said on RUK today that Nath will need the run in Ireland as his main aim is the aim.
Wanna know my take? I say it's bull,just like the Eclipse, and Nath is now being aimed for the Arc officially since it's been announced Frankel heads to Ascot. |
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* is the Arc.
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Yes Nathaniel for the Arc. There is no way any horse heading to stud is going to end their career being clobbered by Frankel.
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Agreed re Ireland sint. If you were an owner would you pay a supplementary entry for a horse that would 'need the race'?
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Michelangelo is the Gosden No1 for Leger and will be ridden by William Buick. Thought Worthy will also run but no decision on jockey for that one yet.
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Does anyone know if Encke is an intended runner?
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Imperial Monarch down to around 15,anyone heard anything' iffy' about Camelot?
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A friend told me about 2 months when all the talk about the Triple Crown was going on that Camelot will prob go for the Arc instead,just thinking about that now,IM not running at Leopardstown must mean something,if it was the ground,fair enough but IM would be encountering similiar ground at Doncaster.o'Brien's interview yesterday on ATR was interesting.
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I guess if it's a bog on Arc day IM might take his chance. Otherwise they'll probably keep him for next year - SNA and Camelot will be retired and they like to have an older horse to campaign.
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I think Thomas Chippendale is excellent value now owner has pretty much confirmed participation. Wasn't at all suited by way race was run at York and didn't settle. Liked previous performance at Ascot. Probably needs some give to beat Camelot but holds many of the others on Ascot run.
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I agree - thanks for the heads up I had missed that
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Is it not more the case that Camelot goes Leger and retires an unbeaten triple crown winner....while Imperial Monarch, who needs an Arc more than Camelot does, goes Niel then the big one?
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I think if IM goes to Prix Niel,Last Train will beat him
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Watering apparently starting today...rain is forecast next week
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Not sure there will be enough rain to change the ground to anything but good at worst. I have posted on the other leger thread I think the race is Camelot's to lose. If the ground comes up anywhere between good to soft and good to firm then he is a certainty for me. The firmer the better really. I could agree more with Lester's Pigott's piece in the racing post, just feel that Camelot is going to kill them for speed in the straight.
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Camelot's big test will hopefully come in the Arc. If gosden wasn't running a pacemaker then he'd probably trot round quicken and
win taking little out of himself, making it a good prep race. But that doesn't look like happening and he's going to have to use up a significant amount of energy . If the race was over 1 1/2m then 2/5 would probably be about right but over an extented 1 3/4m 4/6 - 4/7 is probably about right. If gosden runs Shantarram,Thought worthy and Michelangelo then whoever Buick rides and the reasons why could be interesting. |
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I think Michelangelo will be Buicks choice,loads stamina in pedigree.Any other Gosden runner would be a brill spare ride for any jockey.The Leger should be a true test of stamina with a Gosden pacemaker,which is another i am against Camelot.The extra 2 1/2 fur will,i think find him out
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could o'Brien send IM to help out?sounded a little worried other day
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not seen L piggots item,or O.briens,where would i get them?
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Whatever goes for the Niel will face Saonois, Kesampour, Bayrir, Masterstroke and Top Trip potentially. Will be informative to say the least!
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Masterstroke may not go for the Niel
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Getting really interesting now 6 days to go to Leger.Just looked at Michelangelo,4 races ,3 diff types of going,g/s[3rd],gd[3rd] both times behind noble mission,and g/f over 10f and 11f winner both times,will he get the distance?.Hope so,am looking forward to the race.I do wish the 'best' race on the card is not left to the end,any delay and not on terrestial tv,The presentation to Sir Henry was after ch4 went off the air
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Mr.Sykes - is that news about Masterstroke anywhere online?
Has he picked up an injury? |
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more money for imp mon for leger???
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No injury re Masterstroke. He was never entered in the Niel. Quite why people want to back him at nearly half the price of Last Train I cannot fathom. You only need to take a passing interest in entries to work out which colt Fabre thinks is the number one in the yard.
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Camelot (GB) 3 9 0
Chamonix (IRE) 3 9 0 Dartford (USA) 3 9 0 Encke (USA) 3 9 0 Guarantee (GB) 3 9 0 Imperial Monarch (IRE) 3 9 0 Main Sequence (USA) 3 9 0 Michelangelo (GB) 3 9 0 Thomas Chippendale (IRE) 3 9 0 Thought Worthy (USA) 3 9 0 Ursa Major (IRE) 3 9 0 |
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Any ideas why Thomas C drifting? 20/1 chance in my book but 50s freely available with little looking to back.
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I like TC each way as well but I do think he needs a little rain to ease the ground, will not be suited by quick ground unfortunately. If it is really quick I can still see them pulling him out as they know they have a decent animal and would not want to harm his chances for next season.
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Form Horse Owner Trainer Jockey
1) 11-111 CAMELOT Derrick Smith, Sue Magnier, Michael Tabor Aidan O'Brien IRE 2) 61 CHAMONIX (IRE) Sue Magnier, Michael Tabor & Derrick Smith Aidan O'Brien IRE 3) (5)-(3)(2)(5)(3)(0)5 DARTFORD (USA) Bjorn Nielsen John Gosden 4) 21-123 ENCKE (USA) Godolphin Mahmood Al Zarooni 5) 2111 GUARANTEE Highclere Thoroughbred Racing-Authorized William Haggas 6) 1-101 IMPERIAL MONARCH (IRE) Sue Magnier, Michael Tabor & Derrick Smith Aidan O'Brien IRE 7) 11-1(1)242 MAIN SEQUENCE (USA) Niarchos Family David Lanigan Ted Durcan 8) 3113 MICHELANGELO Bjorn Nielsen John Gosden 9) 01-5115 THOMAS CHIPPENDALE (IRE) Sir Robert Ogden Sir Henry Cecil Tom Queally 10) 1-21431 THOUGHT WORTHY (USA) George Strawbridge John Gosden 11) (2)(1)2111 URSA MAJOR (IRE) Andrew Tinkler Tommy Carmody IRE 11 five-day confirmations 4 Irish-trained Aidan O'Brien and Joseph O'Brien were interviewed on a media trip to Ballydoyle today and a release on their thoughts about Camelot will follow. LADBROKES ST LEGER QUOTES FROM THE OTHER CONNECTIONS Main Sequence, Niarchos Family, David Lanigan Trainer David Lanigan said: "Main Sequence worked on Saturday and everything went fine. He will have his final piece of work on Wednesday. "He will also be left in the Prix Niel but the plan is to go for the Ladbrokes St Leger. "I think the Great Voltigeur was a farce, to put it politely! It was run at a hack canter and the time was six seconds slower than any other race run that day. Basically, it turned into a sprint and Main Sequence is not a sprinter, it was very difficult for him. "Hopefully, there will be plenty of pace in the St Leger, I know John Gosden is planning to run a pacemaker and it will be a true run race which is what we want. "Ted Durcan will ride again." Encke, Godolphin, Mahmood Al Zarooni Trainer Mahmood Al Zarooni remarked "Everything is fine with Encke and I think that he will head to Doncaster in the same form as when he ran at York. "This will be the biggest test of his career and we still don't know how good he really is. He has never been in a Group One contest before but I think that he will run a good race - he is a tough horse who always gives everything. "The distance will be fine for him and he seems to cope with most types of ground. We can dream of beating Camelot but anything can happen in this game and our horse deserves to take his chance." Thomas Chippendale, Sir Robert Ogden, Sir Henry Cecil Barry Simpson, racing manager to owner Sir Robert Ogden, said: "Thomas Chippendale has been confirmed for the Ladbrokes St Leger. "He is in good form and has been working well since he ran at York. We are looking forward to a good run from him. "From our point of view, the Great Voltigeur was a bit of a wasted race as there was no pace and the time was very slow. "I am not suggesting he would have won, but I think you can put a line through the race as a Leger trial for our horse - it certainly didn't suit us and maybe one or two of the other runners as well. "As a Yorkshireman, I know the Ladbrokes St Leger is a race Sir Robert would dearly love to win." Guarantee, Highclere Thoroughbred Racing, William Haggas Harry Herbert, racing manager for owners Highclere Thoroughbred Racing's Authorized syndicate, said: "William (Haggas) reports Guarantee to be in great form. His latest piece of work was on Friday and he worked well. "Since York, he has been eating up, bucking and kicking. It is encouraging to know that the horse is clearly thriving and hopefully he is still improving too. "Obviously, it is a massive leap from winning a 0-105 handicap to taking on Classic horses in the Ladbrokes St Leger but this will be his last race of the season and we have nothing to lose. "I would be delighted if we could be in the unsaddling enclosure with a horse in the first four on Saturday. Hopefully, he can do himself justice. Phillip Makin, who knows him so well, rides once again. "Fingers crossed, we will get there in one piece. It will be great to see Camelot run but hopefully we can spoil the party! We have seen upsets in the St Leger, including Shergar, but for us it is just so exciting to just have a contender. "Anything can happen with horses stepping up in trip but at least we know our horse has proven stamina, as he won over a mile and six furlongs at York last time. "Guarantee was a 50,000 guineas breeze-up horse and for the shareholders to have a runner in Classic with a real shout is amazing. "He will be our fourth runner in the Ladbrokes St Leger. Our previous three runners all ran well, with Highest faring best when runner-up in 2002." Ursa Major, Andrew Tinkler, Tommy Carmody IRE Tim Jones, racing manager to owner Andrew Tinkler, said: "Ursa Major has been left in the Ladbrokes St Leger and the Irish St Leger and the decision about where to run will be taken later in the week once we have seen the entries. "He has improved with every run and we hope there is further improvement in him. It is typical of his breeding that he has improved as time has gone on. "We are now throwing him in at the deep end on Saturday." Thought Worthy, George Strawbridge, John Gosden John Gosden said: "He's been fine since York where he showed he's a very game horse. He's from a family of tough staying horses. "Thought Worthy's brother Lucarno was also fourth in the Derby and won the Great Voltigeur. Lucarno then won the Ladbrokes St Leger and I hope Thought Worthy can do the same. "We are taking on a very fine horse in Camelot and naturally all the focus has been on him and the Triple Crown. But it takes other horses to make a race and Thought Worthy will stay the trip. Whether he can stay it fast enough is the question." Michelangelo, Bjorn Nielsen, John Gosden John Gosden said: "Michelangelo is fine and has done nothing wrong in his four races. He was third in the Gordon Stakes at Goodwood which is not everybody's track. "He was staying on well at the end of that race and so did Arctic Cosmos before winning the Ladbrokes St Leger two years ago." Dartford, Bjorn Nielsen, John Gosden John Gosden said: "Dartford is a pacemaker for Michelangelo. The one thing we do not want is a stop-start race. He is running to ensure a decent regular pace." DONCASTER GROUND The going at Doncaster remains: GOOD TO FIRM, GOOD IN PLACES Clerk of the Course Jon Pullin reported today: "We finished the weekend's watering cycle this morning, with an average of 20 millimetres applied to the track. "The forecast is for a few showers in the early hours of tomorrow which should yield around two to three millimetres. "Tomorrow and Wednesday are forecast to be overcast and there is a chance of some light showers. "From Thursday onwards, conditions are predicted to become drier and brighter." For further information, please contact: |
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Betting available in the w/o Camelot market
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