me too on sir des champs about a week or 2 ago ! have a few at big prices but as they say more the merrier !

w.mullins said (quote )at some irish horses do that "its very tempting as the lexus is an unlucky race for him ,may be more tempted now but who knows !

I don't think he will go to Kempton, even though it's the race that makes sense. I would say they would want to test First Lieutenant and Weapons Amnesty against Flemenstar, and see what happens over the longer distance. The Dial-a-bet is another option, but it's maybe on the short side. Gigginstown haven't had a great deal to shout about recently, so the King George looks to be a decent opportunity, then give him the track off until mid March. That way they could test both sides of the Sea, and try and pick up something along the way. As for Boyles going NRNB, it's an advertisement and ring fencing of you betting money until Christmas.

Also, there really is no point crying over the fact people had the chance to backing said horses earlier on before the defections, i was going to back cue card e.g a month ago when he was 10/1 but didnt, actually have not had a bet in the race yet. But would take 9/2 now as the race has changed alot since i would love to have that voucher now but cant do anything about it. The race has changed, the chances of him winning this race have increased you could argue and at the moment, he is slightly shorter than those odds on here.

cue cards inclusion is a dream for long run, he'll take them along at a good lick (the horse will see to that), he'll be unconscious turning in if not earlier...along with all the other non-stayers, which is practically everything else running!!

Cue Card is the clear form choice ....Isn't he ?

If you stay 2.5m around Exeter then you should easily stay 3m around Kempton. Not many horses that win bumpers don't stay 3+ miles in the long term..

The only horse to beat him levels is Sprinter. His form is second only to LR who may be on the downgrade.

I think he is a big price at 9/2.

unless you are on at decent prices the value seems a bit thin on the ground ,2 come to mind but both have risks attached ,sir deschamps is a big price on here and if he runs will be much shorter ,but will he come over ? the vibes are quite encouraging and mullins has said he is 50/50 so could be worth the chance ,the other ata big price on here is finians rainbow not a certain runner but would have every chance of getting the trip and has the class but with this stable also a big risk .

What has Henderson said about Finnians? I'd be surprised if Geraghty picked Riverside over him, were he to run. RT's a good horse but isn't quite good enough to win this, whereas FR probably hated that ground at Ascot.

From a betting perspective the two defections are most frustrating as in my opinion Sizing Europe wouldn't have stayed on a motorbike and i don't understand how anyone could have fancied Al Ferof given his run at Ascot last season, yes he was a novice and entitled to improve etc, but if he was top class he would have run better than he did. It was a visually impressive run in the Paddypower but it was bottomless ground and take out Grands Crus who couldn't breathe then it was a poor handicap - the form is questionable. I remember Tranquil Sea hosing up in a similar race on testing ground from Poquelin only to never reach the heights that performance suggested - bottomless ground often masks true form.

I saw Kauto Stone on course last season in the Tingle Creek and for me, he was a very unimpressive speciman, his form is average and i just can't see him having the class to win a King George. I like Cue Card as a horse but don't think he will stay 3 miles in a horse box.

For me the winner still comes from one of the three below but the market is tightening up all the time

Sir Des Champs
Long Run
Grands Crus

Regulation race

I think the race may cut up into 7 or 8 runners. All with a chance on some line of form.

I don't take it that Cue Card won't stay because he is keen nonsense. He WAS very keen being held up in hurdle races but now is far more settled like he showed at Cheltenham and Exeter when running from the front.

If a novice runs over 2.5 miles (and is the best at it) why shouldn't he stay 3 miles a year later.

If he had won at 3 miles...did he look like stopping last time..? He would be 3/1 or 5/2.

His form is bullet proof !

hibore, he never raced over 2.5 at exeter, it was 2.1, the furthest he's ever gone is 2.4 and he's 1 from 4 over it.

Hi Duf, it you watch the race again Joe thinks he has the race won and almost stops CC coming to the last just to pop over. He lost all momentum and even though was a couple of lengths clear was caught close home. You can't really call it a poor run as Bobs was a stone better off even over a shorter trip in hindsight..

Kempton 3 miles is not far off Newbury 2.5 miles either.

1 from 4 over 2m4,and now what price for a grade 1 3m race??.
No Thanks.

Its 3 furlong off Hibore.

1 from 4 ? What are you going on about.

Who was the top 2.5 mile novice last year then ?

Finian's confirmed by Henderson now

Well he has more claim to that than Cue Card.

SDC has never even ran at Chepstow! Think you are getting confused Hibore.

Just looking at Cue Card's race record now. It is a bit harsh to vrab his 2m 4f-5f record. His form reads 1122 UR (when travelling well) over those distances. One 2nd was giving weight to the RSA and Hennessy winner and the other was at Aintree whe losing to  horse we never got to see how far he could go. He did finish in front of ROR.

I agree that Cue Card looks like a horse that could improve for the step up in distance - not sure he is ready to do it on very soft ground though. And even if he could, the price on him is bordering on the ludicrous now.

Someone else mentioned another CC - Champion Court.

But the winner? CC - Captain Chris

Agree that Cue Cards form is pretty good.
But his price aint good for his first crack at winning a race 4 furlongs further than hes won at before imo.
And this thread is about the King George.