the only "strange circumstances" were that german horses are generally overlooked for such races because they so rarely do well in them.

the danger was there in black and white but for some reason it seems to have been dismissed


snow fairy....midday....sna.....dandino.


the owners were waiting to see who pulled out last week....she probably would have run anyways when she got bought but they were clearly worried by one horse.

the one who came close to frankel on soft ground on its debut.

SNA ran a cracker,just as i thought,and he made his odds look silly,traded at 4s 2 out,so all in all a very profitable day

Klammers gone downhill since then

Yes he has Zilzal.

Can't believe what Coolmore did to Treasure Beach!!

An Irish Derby winner and they don't allow him to race on his merits. Imo that is the kind of thing that can ruin a good horse.

but the draw combined with the quick ground has played a big part in deciding the outcome of this race imvho.

The draw appears important every year, so that conversely, isn't really relevant and there have been enough Arcs run on soft ground.

So: every year the draw and ground are important.

The idea that because the win was unexpected, people will downgrade the form is sadly all too likely and I suspect directly linked to the amount of money journalists and commentators may have placed on alternative horses, the subsequent dashing of their financial dreams and their perceived lack of judgement amongst peers.

As such, Zarkava, who held the combined assets of being
1. Unbeaten
2. A likely and popular selection
3. Owned by a racing legend
4. A good earner throughout the year for any pundits and players who like an obvious pick

gets reams of column inches and debate over her class and success.

I suspect Danedream, who unfortunately for her reputation;

1.  Is from Germany (where?)
2.  Was unfancied in the market
3.  Was unconsidered by many pundits
4.  Has been beaten often
5.  Has probably contributed precisely nil to most punters wallets before today

...will not be exulted in such rarified terms as Zarkava.

So Zarkava or Danedream?

Who wins?  [;)]

All depends if you backed either of them doesn't it?

And I would actually back Danedream in a head to head with Zarkava. [:D]

So would i !!!!!!! booooooooooooom [:D][:D][:D][:D]

Can't Catch Me 29 Sep 11 20:32
Dont mean to be rude, but I will give up the game if Danedream wins this.

That'll teach me for writing off a German horse

And don't forget where your horse is from.....

"Catch Me (GER)" [:x]

BofL in this years Hatton´s Grace [;)]

Joshua tree best form was on a decent surface, Waldpark was unwell and Night Magic would struggle to win a
listed race over here. I saw the race on You tube prior to the Arc and Danedream did nothing wrong and was an
easy winner but the oppostion looked to offer very little resistence. The race showed she was well in herself,
if you could see from it that she had improved enough to win an ARC since her one paced 5th to Testosterone
9 weeks previous then your a better judge than me.

Every year the Arc is run on ground that will suit some horses, but not others.

Every year some horses are drawn more favourably than others.

How often does the course record get broken AND the winner triumph by 5 lengths (only 3 horses have won further and one of those was in the mud, which really is extreme form)?

I'm astounded that anyone can crab this.  Danedream may not be pegasus, but she just slaughtered a field that beforehand was considered one of the strongest assembled for some years, notwithstanding any specific ground/draw doubts for other horses.  In that field, on that day, the best horse won.

I had a great weekend, the crowd for a brief moment after the Arc were struck dumb it seemed, completely taken aback by the demolition job Danedream did, with everyone flicking through the paper or race card to see who had won, i dont think there were many winners, but she was welcomed back with applause and cheers.

It was my first Arc and cant wait to go back next year, 4 euros on Saturday, 8euros on Sunday for 7(?) Group races, incredible. 

Congrats to any Danedream backers.

The Headmaster must still be drunk