Pour Moi for the Derby - 20s good value?

yes but the magicswine only go 8/1

surely runs....not like the stabled ever bothered about how many they entered in the past.

No worries about the horse being Coolmore-owned imo.  They supp’d Papal Bull in when Aiden had his usual army and Magnier’s proved time and again, as Tesio dictates, that the Derby is the most important race (certainly 3-y-o European race anyway) in the Coolmore Calendar.   The only doubt would arise if connections feel he wouldn’t handle the track.  He didn’t take the first bend too well yesterday but he hadn’t settled properly at the time and the home bend he negotiated far more smoothly.  You would hope on Derby Day, with that long uphill run from the start, he would have dropped his head and be racing evenly before he encountered the first proper turn.  I was a little surprised AdRD ruled out Vadamar so quickly, who was held up before the start and didn’t have the clearest of passages, but there’s no doubt Pour Moi was deeply impressive.

There is a little sub-plot here, of course.  Sheikh Mo/Godolphin has 122 horses with Andre Fabre. The idea – a good one imo but clearly very expensive – being they station them with Fabre at 2 and over the winter, before transferring – hopefully in the Spring before the big European Classics – once the trainer feels they can be competitive in Group 1s.  I have no doubt that Coolmore would find the prospect of winning the Derby with a Fabre colt, from a grand total of TWO horses in the yard, totally irresistible.  The fact Barzalona may ride, a Fabre jockey before a Godolphin one, only serves to twist the knife.  In truth, you could argue Andre is playing a dangerous game here – as many would view this as highly embarrassing for the Sheikh.

Anyway, back to Pour Moi.  If you aren’t on at bigger prices, the 20/1 is begging to be taken.  In terms of the round of Derby trials, this guy is clubhouse leader. Obviously we still have the Derrinstown and Dante to go (and it’s always possible Goodwood or the Irish 2000 will throw something up) but it must be remembered that the front three in the Derby market look set to clash on the Knavesmire.  While one will clearly shorten, there’s every chance two will blow out and it seems certain that the Derby market will look very different by Thursday night. Impeccably bred, trained by the master and already entered for Epsom, there is no doubt in my mind that if the Greff was run at Lingfield rather than Saint-Cloud yesterday, Pour Moi would be challenging for favouritism. Laddies are closest to his correct price imo and I would argue they should be even shorter.

20's taken
cheers HM

love the conspiracy theory their HM.

no 20 left now it  will be single figures wen confirmed

recital has been well backed from 10 downwards during the last 24 hours they expecting a good run i assume needs to improve from last run

essexguy

Recital certainly put on a show - the sort usually seen at Krufts!

cryoftruth, that may be the case, but have you seen one to beat him yet?

I would suggest the main reason Coolmore have sent horses to Fabre is that AOB simply hasn't delivered over the past few years (considering the volume and quality of blue-bloods at his disposal) particularly in view of the English Classics. The same argument applies to Godolphin setting up a 2nd UK base and, on the jumps, the increasing number of JPM horses now being trained by Henderson.

Like others on here I was underwhelmed by Recital's attitude yesterday although he clearly has
an engine and may be a serious horse on a suitable track. Seville may be the answer but on 2 yo form he is pretty much the same horse as Casamento which might not be enough.

The Dante will hopefully throw up a serious contender but at the moment the Derby is pretty much a case of everyone ignoring the elephant in the room, or to be more precise the monster that will be ducking the race and heading for the St James Palace.

'not that impressed' 'workmanlike' !!!!

If he was declared a definite runner I'd have him as favourite right now before the Dante is run.

It was impressive in that he was pulling  early and a bit awkward around the bend, so to still have the energy at the business end to speed away and win suggests he is pretty good. But im not convinced just yet he's a Derby winner. A patchy profile with 2 defeats and 2 victories.

am going to watch it now. getting excited .......

very few horses in those French races make up 8 lenghts from the back of the pack to the front and win going away like he did. the ones that do are more often than not high class.

Just to back up what HM & ELG have said about Pour Moi's likely participation in the Derby, I'll give you a few quotes courtesy of an interview John Magnier gave to JA McGrath which was printed in the Daily Telegraph before the 2009 Derby, The article was titled 'Derby rules for John Magnier';

'Somebody alluded only last week to Tesio's quote about the relevance of the Derby, saying that it has been that piece of wood, the winning post of the Epsom Derby, that has influenced the selection process that has led to the breeding of the thoroughbred. He was right, Vincent (O'Brien) was right.'

'Maybe, it has lost some of it's gloss, but it is the race where all the qualities of a colt are tested. We continue to support it, and run as many as we can, because of this. We run those we feel are entitled to run. It's a chance for them to prove themselves.'

'I known there are some people, who would like to see it run over a mile and a quarter, but they did that in France, and I don't think it has improved the French Derby. I'm sure that was a mistake...The Derby at Epsom has got history and tradition - all people have to do is leave it alone.'

20, 16 and 14 now gone.

12/1 top price...personally didn't think Seville ran too badly at all but the market seems to think PM is more likley to travel post-Dante than he was before the race?

Beryl's post quoting Magnier says it all for me.  Can't believe they'd leave PM on the sidelines given his breeding - out and out 1m 4f horse imo.

i think he'll run.

There is no really outstanding candidate from Coolmore. Recital is a bit dodgy and Seville looked a bit to slow today.

Its hard to read Coomore but they would like to win the Drby, usually fire all their guns at the race.

This year I would expect they will get one of theirs to try and set a fast pace as this would certainly suite Fido (otherwise known as Recital).