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Goldikova - thread to talk about the Equine legend
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I agree Rondetto.
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jair1970 Joined: 16 Nov 06
Replies: 607 22 Apr 11 18:22 Agree with A_T there. At the weights she comes out 1lb higher than Youmzain on that Arc run. Hardly stuff of legend. This is not to denigrate what she actually has done, just can't rate her as high as others. Zarkava was never going to be ranked up there with the all time greats do to her style of running /the way she was ridden. However imo she is up there with the very best. From the day of her win in the Prix Marcel Boussac(1st time i saw her) she had wow factor in each & every one of her subsequent performances. In virtually everyone of those events she was set an enormous amount to do by Soumillon & looked more likely to get beat than win until he flicked her in to overdrive then in 1/2 furlong it was clear despite probably being 6 lengths behind she was going to mow them down in a matter of strides. One of the all time greats that will not be mentioned as 1 in years to come . |
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At the weights she (Zarkava) comes out 1lb higher than Youmzain on that Arc run. Hardly stuff of legend
Zarkava beat Youmzain in her Arc by 2L receiving 11 lbs / STS beat the same horse in his Arc by 2L receiving 8 lbs. Each won in a their respective race in similar fashion (going was softer in the former). If the pair had raced in the Arc the following year, Zarkava would have received 4 lbs from STS so maybe there wouldn't have been so much between them (hypothetically of course). As previously stated, i'm not comparing Zarkava with STS or any previous great of bygone years (I agree with Jair1970 on his point) but in the case of Zarkava vs Goldikova, there's a more 'logical' way of comparison and I maintain Zarkava was by far the better filly (and she proved it twice). |
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Geoff m,
I also saw Zakarva for the first time in the Prix Marcel Boussac. I didn't have a bet in the race and probably like many of us hadn't really considered her anyway, after all she had only won a race for unraced filles to date. What we both witnessed during the final stages of the race was incredible, her turn of foot so impressive, it had been a while since i'd seen such a burst of acceleration by a 2 yr old filly. I made a mental note of her and was hoping she would come across for our Guineas, i've no doubt she would have beaten Natagora. |
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re Goldikova vs Canford Cliffs I would not be so sure CC will prevail. Goldikova can be ridden any way you like but CC is a tricky ride it seems to me and needs everything to go his way - she always finds a way to win. Hopefully they will both be at Royal Ascot the Queen Anne could be the race of the meeting.
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A T,You say Goldikova "always finds a way to win"except on the days she gets beat,she could look vulnerable to CC think back to when Rip Van Winkle took him on in the Sussex,of a strong pace Rip goes for home but CC put him in his place in a very imperious manner,are you really so sure wonder horse Goldikova would beat him after all she only just held of Paco Boy at Ascot!
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**off**
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"she only just held of Paco Boy at Ascot"
So. Dick Turpin finished ahead of Canford Cliffs in the guineas. It doesn't work out like that. |
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Prima I agree Goldikova is not a wonder horse and I do not rate her amongst the very best milers we've seen. Given Rip V W's overall form last year I would not want to put too much store by CC's win - although it did look good it's a shame that poor scope (which Richard Hannon amazingly predicted!
 ) ruled him out of the QEII. Hope they meet at Royal Ascot my money will be on the mare.Dick Turpin is a good horse I think - looking forward to his run at Sandown today. |
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jesus if we cant see that goldikova is far better than the winning margin over paco we need to have a look at these races again. its always easier for a hold up horse with a turn of foot, she went for home over 2f out in the queen anne ffs.
she completely obliterated him and the field in strides in her latest BC mile win, that was an incredible run. she the best miler at the mo imo. canford still has to beat her. she is of course vulnerable to the ground, she needs it good, if its soft, lay her till the cows come home. she'll need it good again over 9f to get home in france this yr. i will admit the horses she beats isnt a list of legends but she can only beat whats in front of her as they say. makfi beat her because of the ground combined with being a v talented nd under rated horse, who swept aside canford in the guineas, hughes of course ready with the excuses later in the season that he doesnt come to hand early, we shall see if this is true. hes a brilliant horse and it will be a v interesting race. lets hope they meet. i dont think he'd get by her personally and he'l do well to sustain his run for long enough to beat her but thats just me. he might laugh at her, i really dont know  |
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RE his beating of rip, rip ran v well that day but i just dont think he ever ran as well as he did as a 3yr old. watch his beating in the sussex of paco boy, absolutely bolted in from the front the whole way and paco couldnt make any impression on him and rip only got a tap with the whip that day.
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