I'd prefer Murtagh on board but I guess the owners are just p*ssed off that Fallon reneged on a gentlemans agreement - hope the high court ban him from the race and the police get their driving ban implemented on him too

Its an interesting legal precedent, and not just for racing, although Piggott used to get off and on hoses according to their chance - however he was so much the best jockey ever he could get away with almost anything.

A mean how many footballers kiss the shirt badge an promise to stay and then leave their "forever club" or football managers who do the same, or F1 drivers etc etc.

However maybe it would be a good thing if Fallon lost the legal case. It might make the world of sport a rather more honest business, and make jockeys, players etc keep their word.

and that's not to say that Fallon made a promise to ride the grey in the Derby - only he and the owner maybe really know the answer to that question.

secret gambler

you are a very rude person and its irksome to read such nasty things. Try being polite and we could discuss anything.

I try to use the Derby as a source of income in a small way. I have studied and followed hoses for nearly 40 years and understand breeding. I like to think I can spot a class horse too. This can give you a serious edge in a race like the Derby.

I will be quite honest and probably anoy sint (again) by saying what I have done this year - but its true and not for effect so I don't care anyhow. So with major risk of being accused of doing an Eric.....

i had a large win bet on Frankel for the Derby at 20/1. I have also had a pretty decent bet on Pour Moi at 20/1 and had a decent bet at 9/2 about Carlton. I have backed everything else in the Derby aside from the 2 rank outsiders and will have a couple of quid on each of them before the race. My only big ante post loser from  the decent bets I placed was on Dubai whathisname that was scratched a while ago before I could lay off a bean! The Derby has been very profitable this year; mainly because I had such a decent bet on Frankel I could lay all I needed at a shortish price to trade on the others with complete confidence.

Regards Recital, I did lay him for a while and also laid Seville as I did not imagine them as serious Derby types. Seville is just too stoutly bred and Recital seemed to like a bog. however I was simply not prepared to go into a Derby winning very well on nearly all the field, but losing heavily on the 2 that are 3rd and 4th favourites, both trained by a really superb trainer and both to be ridden by fine riders.

My opinion is that one (Seville) is a Leger type, and that the other (Recital) may be a bit dodgy, but more likely may need quite a bit of give in the ground.

However my opinion is also that this is a very very open Derby and although one will probably come through and will well and be hailed as champion, it is possible that the race might be an average Derby with quite a few fairly close up, including both Seville and Recital. So I might be right about both - they may be dodgy and a bit too slow, but either might be good enough to win this year. Despite the stuff about the promise etc, I think Fallon is still a great rider and is brilliant at riding Epsom - he might be worth a length to Recital.

So now all is done my best 3 winners in order are Pour Moi, Vadamar, Masked Marvel, then Carlton House and Recital. The only bet I am left to place is the forecast - Vadamar and Pour Moi. I think both are very interesting.

This is the rationale:
The Aiden horses are really only 2 with chances, one is dodgy/soft ground prefererence, and the other is slow and unlikely to reverse with Carlton house.
Carlton House may be brilliant and may win, but he has never run in a fast run race and is inexperienced.
Native Khan looks superficially as if he is bred to stay but having looked at his pedigree again, I think he will struggle to get home.

Masked Marvel is a fair price and is improving but this may just be a bit too soon for him.

The french hoses may be actually very good. They don't just fire horses at the Derby from France on the off chance and I think these two are likely to be classy horses. Of course they may hate Epsom and may be outpaced early as French horses often are at Epsom. But given the doubts about the others I like them best.

If I was really honest I must say I wouldn't much care what wins the Derby or Oaks if Midday stuffed St nick tomorrow. She is possibly my favourite ever racehorse. There is something about the timing of her emergence as a star that coincided with the return of Henry Cecil. She brought back all the memories of Indian Skimmer and Diminuendo -  both brilliant winners at the best meeting of the eyar - the Ebor Meeting.

In spite of all I genuinely wish you all the very best of luck.







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Thanks Sint

good luck to you too.

My last bet this morning were 2 £4 doubles on Dancing Rain and the 2 Frenchmen. I will definitely be opening some champagne if a french horse wins the Derby.

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Was he in the pink colours? If so he ran ok, but hung down the camber into the rail just like predicted.


Nice place lay for me though[;)]

His wayward tendencies will be less pronouncd with cut in the Ground.

As for callig him a dog, thats a bit pathetic imo. The horse has proven class and there been plenty like him the past.

Seville on the otherhand .. where did he finish ..