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CAn't have he hasn't trained on. He's won a G2 last time out. Crab his quirks but we have seen nothing this year that says he hasn't trained on. Every indication he is being brought along to match or surpass his G1 performance as a 2yo

recital carried 6lb penalty in his 1st run this year when he got beaten
carried 3lb penalty last time out when he won
this horse has a touch of class,travels well,group1 form in the book and is improving at the right time
i think we'll all see the real recital this saturday.

Fallon on Recital and also Wonder of Wonders!

I bet Ed Dunlop is delighted.

Well, that's always possible. Unlikely in this case though, unless every other horse on the card ran slower than expected. Bubble Chic and Prairie Star have already franked their figures. One thing is for certain, though, lack of stamina is not even a possibilty.

does he need more cut in the ground? no rain forecast tuesday to friday although been raining at epsom for the last few hours

4 runs, 3 wins including a G1 and G2.
Hound?

'yeah don't see how anybody can doubt the stamina if you are going on breeding'


really? his full brother was a keen goer (rather like Recital) and wasnt even tried at 12f as a result, while his half-brother Racinger (by Spectrum) excelled when dropped back to 1m having been tried over further.

okay Tavaris I exaggerate to make a point.

However he is not straightforward. Straight after his defeat first time out this season  I thought he was ridden as if and behaved as if he was dodgy; hanging when asked to go past.

Next time out he won okay but not from great opposition and he really seemed to object being in the lead. Memphis Tennessee had run 81 the race before he was second to  Recital, and Regent Street (another dodgepot) was beaten 3 lengths and is only rated 81 or something.

That form is very dicey indeed. The Derby trial that Fido won was a real penalty kick and he couldn't really help but quicken up when asked. When he had done so he did hang into the rails and that's twice he has hung. He has had a few races so inexperience is wearing a bit thin as an excuse.

He is very talented (in my assessment almost certainly a group 1 talent) but he has very serious opponents and is going to have to battle to win the Derby. he has done a pretty fair impersonation of a horse that is not dead keen on battling.

I amy be wrong but a horse that isn't dead keen and one prone to hanging hard to the left is not likely to be well suited to the last 2 furlongs at Epsom.

Of course he could stuff these words down my throat with a battling effort on Saturday. I have saved on him as he cannot be discounted.

As I say though I would be sad for the Derby is a brute like this did the trick.

There have been many group 1 winners who barked though.

ffs cry

Tucho: "fallon was always desperate to ride him at epsom"

Fallon is a lousy judge imo but I suspect in this case the one he is desperate to ride is Wonder of Wonders in the Oaks, and that Recital is just a means to that end.

From ATR -

Kieren Fallon has been urged to play it cool in the Investec Derby - by the man who knows Recital as well as anyone.Leading French bloodstock agent Gilles Forien bred the highly-strung colt, on behalf of the Renee Geffroy and Caragh umbrella, before he was knocked down to Coolmore for 750,000 euros.

Many observers feel Recital will be ill at ease competing at Epsom, which is renowned for its unpredictable cambers, after he hung discernibly left when winning the Derrinstown Stud Trial in May. Forien does not prescribe to that theory, but feels Fallon needs to be more considered than at Leopardstown, when he made a winning move two furlongs from home - a fact the rider has since acknowledged after what was his first outing on the colt.

"We bred Recital and sold him in Deauville for top price, so I know a lot about him," said Forien.

"He is a very strong horse, but I am not worried about his attitude, or his ability - I am worried about how the horse will be ridden. He should be held up until the last furlong at the very earliest, otherwise I do not think he can win.

"If you come too strong with him halfway down the straight he will not be able to show his best form. He is a good horse and can win the Derby, but a lot will depend on Kieren Fallon. My instructions to him would be to leave it late."

Fallon, three times a winner of the Derby and an undisputed master of Epsom, has snubbed the Ed Dunlop-trained Native Khan in preference for Aidan O'Brien's colt.

Forien also has a vested interest in Dunlop's candidate as he, too, was reared by the Frenchman and his wife, Aliette.

"Native Khan is favourite horse of mine and I think he will be in the money if he stays a mile and a half," added Forien.

"He is a horse that will not disappoint."

I suspect that Monsieur Forien was laughing all the way to the bank having sold those two!

I could see Fallon do a Hurricane Run. Having him out the back and then stick to the inner and you his speed to go by the rags coming back and then just get their in the last furlong

I backed him at a big price thinking I would lay it off, but I'm starting to convince myself he could really win!

rubyisgodinthesaddle

In the words of another of the greats
'Greed is good'

Will continue to do as he has done -  bark all the way.

Oh yes


and lose

What and get accused of after timing.

Okay I'll give it a rest for a while if its annoying.

To be honest he wins me a few hundred so its actually more of a p1ss take. I still would prefer one of the frenchmen.

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What and get accused of after timing.
Okay I'll give it a rest for a while if its annoying.

To be honest he wins me a few hundred so its actually more of a p1ss take. I still would prefer one of the frenchmen.

Classic.

It's hard to have strength in your own convictions when nobody tells you anything.

I never said 'everything'. I said 'anything'.