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That's two races in a row where Recital has hung left into the rail. With the camber at Epsom he'll have no chance whatever if he hangs like that again...
Seville's form was at least as good as Recital's last season, so I'm looking forward to seeing him take on the highly regarded maiden winners in the Dante. |
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any word on how will ride seville on thurs yet?
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that is twice in a row that Recital has done a pretty decent impersonation of a dodgepot, hanging, holding his head on one side, not helping his rider at all and generally barking his way down the straight.
he might improve massively and maybe would like softer going, but he's not for me for the Derby. |
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9/2 with VC and WH...give me a ****g break. I bet a pound and a penny he's 9/1 and higher on the day. Maybe even as high as 12/1.
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Declan McDonough said today the headwind yesterday was the strongest he'd ever known it, fwiw.
I am still not convinvced though, despite backing at 14/1 some time ago. The horse has plenty of natural ability, but is a bit idle and difficult to ride. |
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Still very strong in the market....obviously they feel he has some potential
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I could understand it if he was strong in the market for the Pertemps Final.
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I might be in the minority but I thought it was a really good performance, and it puts him fimly on track for the derby. As I said on the other thread, he idled in front imo and was almost looking back to see where the other horses were, which made it look like he hung worse than he did.
Still my idea of the winner. Strong pace and a challenge will bring out the best in him for me. |
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Maybe you are right Catch Me.
Looking at his form it seems the times he has hung were the twice he had fast ground this season. his 2yo form seems to be a first time out win on good ground (only workmanlike) and a real top performance on soft ground. There is at least a bit of evidence that the brute might be better with plenty of gove - like some Montjeus and like the great Montjeu himself too. At Epsom he is unlikely to face really fast ground, and they may water and get rain and that would be ideal. I have to say I would not back him myself though on any ground. He looks a bit too dodgy and the head in the air is not good, but head in the air and to one side and then to hang left looks like the recipe for a bad Epsom run to me. |
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After the dante today, keep Recital off the rail and he wins The Derby.
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not if he doesnt stay, he wont [;)]
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Fallon said in his piece in the Weekender that he hit the front too early and it was because he was getting absolutely battered by the headwind that he appeared to hang so badly.
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There is no dount he is Ballydoyles No.1 contender for Epsom, but he has got to overcome his obvious quirks, and I say that as a 14/1 backer. I'd be happy if he made the frame to be honest as im not sure he'll get the trip with is running style etc.
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Place lay at even's for me.[;)]
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After watching the Derrinstown I was left trying to make my mind up who looked most uncomfortable on the run to the line Fallon or the horse.
Horses can improve very quickly and you never know but as things stand after that performance I can see why Unclepuncle would lay him for a place. Terrible head carriage and will absolutely hate Epsom. Surely they'll send him elsewhere? |
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'Fallon said in his piece in the Weekender that he hit the front too early and it was because he was getting absolutely battered by the headwind that he appeared to hang so badly. '
Fallon says a lot of things [;)] |
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Nick Mordin is still a fan. He reckons Recital to win and Ballydoyle pacemaker Memphis Tennessee to place.
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Stoute and Moore going head to head down Epsom Downs drawing 10l clear of the rest and battling out a very ironic finish considering connections and previous history
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For all that Recital is quirky etc and i'd be delighted with the place money, i'd still not want to lay him. The race is wide open and he is a very talented horse. He has won 3 from 4 starts which is something no other horse in the race has done.
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Since Mordin has decided that Recital will win he is almost certainly a place lay. Maybe this is unkind. Mordin did get Frankel as sure to be beaten in the 2000 Guineas and opposed Workforce in the Arc with some second rate French horses, one of which does not actually get 12 furlongs. Perhaps he will get tired of being so very wrong so very often. |
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Yeah cot, Planteur looked really second rate in the Ganay.
One race doesn't prove anything. They're not machines. Change the record. |
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Noble Prince was a cert for the Arkle according to Mordin. Great how people bring his word up everytime they dont have a clue themselves, a bit like him.
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I dont read Nick Mordin so cant vouch for this, but given he writes publicly and lets people know his views, I presume the one thing he does not do, like so many people on here, is aftertime.
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AIDAN O'Brien on Saturday advised punters to hold fire before backing either of his leading Investec Derby contenders Recital and Seville - second and third favourite behind Carlton House - as the stable's running plans have not been finalised.
"There are still three weeks until the Derby and we felt it important to reiterate that we have yet to decide exactly which horses will be heading to Epsom," said O'Brien. O'Brien added: "We are lucky to have several high-class three-year-old colts this year and it's likely we will also be represented in the Prix du Jockey Club at Chantilly. "The horses have all come out of their races in good shape and we'll be talking over where they go in the coming days. We will make an announcement as soon as firmer running plans are in place." O'Brien suggesting people hold their bets for Epsom as they haven't 100% decided which horses are going to Epsom and which might go for the French Derby. Might be a typical Ballydoyle smokescreen but if Pour Moi comes to Epsom I'd have thought Recital is much more likely to go to France (over 10f) than Seville  |
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I can't imagine O'Brien sending his Derrinstown horse to Chantilly - they always go to Epsom.
I'm not convinced that Seville is this horse who needs a trip either, he just dosen't give his all in a finish. I think he is much more likely to go to France than Recital. |
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Could the availability of Fallon or Ryan Moore be a key factor in deciding where recital goes - Moore obviously on Carlton House at Epsom and Fallon suppossed to have agreed to ride Native Khan? Both would presumably be available for Chantilly?
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you'd think fallon would only ride recital if o'brien told him he would get more group 1 rides for him. he wouldnt want to piss off dunlop.
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Jockey bookings wont dictate anything imo. More to do with suitability of races for said horses.
You wonder if Aidan may send one of Recital or Seville to France, with Pour Moi coming over here, particularly now Andre Fabre's Grand Vent got beaten today by Prarie Star, who himself had beaten Pour Moi previously. |
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O'Brien last Sunday: "The Derby is the plan if all goes well with [Recital] between now and then."
O'Brien Thursday: "I was [Seville's] first run for a long time so we're delighted. If everything is well then Epsom is the next step." |
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Recital the EW Derby value imo. Think there is an awful lot more to come from him.
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''I'm not convinced that Seville is this horse who needs a trip either, he just dosen't give his all in a finish''
I think time will show you've got that badly wrong. |
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Noticed in todays times
Recital may come to Epsom Hum!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 23 May 11 20:29 Noticed in todays times Recital may come to Epsom Yes but he's a lovely type who shows so much at home and they are keeping all options open to him and they may drop him in trip for the July Cup or maybe give him a sex change and then aim at the Nassau  |
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the day AOB doesn't bring his derrinstown trial winner to epsom is the day to give up ante post betting on this mob
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confirmed
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will he handle the epsom course? will get 12f and has a nice turn of foot...
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doubt he'll get 12f
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My opinion, on the evidence so far, is Recital hasn't trained on. He ran a great time in heavy ground last year at Saint-Cloud, yet in both races this year he hasn't run any faster. Possibly excuses could be made for his first run this year but he had every opportunity last time. The race was set up for him to power away in a fast time, or at least win hard held. I'm sure some will argue that he's just a bit quirky and had loads in hand, maybe they're right, but it didn't appear that way to me.
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