After last years draw bias farce i wouldn't rule anything out.

Moonlight Cloud the English 1000 Guineas there for the taking.

Also Helleborine must have a much better chance of winning the French 1000 Guineas based on Madame Head's comments.

Could be a family across the sea Guineas double up.

I must say, I am a bit surprised by Criquette's comments.  She knew before the Imprudence that Moonlight Cloud was a smart filly and yet she indicated that in principle Helleborine would go to Newmarket so long as she ran well (which she did).  Oh well, we'll know soon enough what they decide to do.  I still think that Helleborine has a good chance of reversing the Imprudence form if, as the trainer hinted afterwards, she wasn't as fit as the winner.

She said after the race that Moonlight Cloud was a fitter horse than Helleborine, i.e. she didn't have Helleborine anywhere near 100% fit.  Working nicely doesn't mean she was being asked any serious questions in her home gallops.  If Helleborine comes over for the Guineas she won't be anything like 20/1, she'll be more like 10/1.

Working nicely can only be construed as fit by someone like Eric Morris. I mean, for goodness sake, to assume she was ready to win is deep,deep pocket talk. And I say that now having backed Moonlight Cloud.

I Love Me needs to improve a bit to get competitive in the Guineas, but I certainly wouldn't rule her out - she did, after all, run very well in the Rockfel (a key Guineas trial).  The two fillies that finished in front of her in the Rockfel (Cape Dollar and Cochabamba) are entered in the Fred Darling at Newbury on Saturday, so we may have a better idea of her chance after that.

The Nell Gwyn result appears to have little relevance for the Guineas, with the winner Barefoot Lady not even entered for the Guineas.  I thought Maqaasid looked much the best filly in the race, but she didn't get home and probably needs to be dropped back to 6f.

7/1 Moonlight Cloud looks way too big. I know there is still the doubt about her running, but if confirmed she surely goes off 3/1 or shorter.

Come Friday night I doubt you will get 300 on All Time anymore - looking forward to seeing this one.

Flagship2, I too am looking forward to seeing the debut of All Time, reputedly Henry Cecil's best three-year-old filly, but she's starting off over 10f so it must be highly doubtful that they would wish to drop her back to a mile (for the Guineas), even if all goes to plan at Newbury on Friday...

There are just four absentees from the Fred Darling field (the three that ran in the Nell Gwyn plus Soraaya), leaving 14 declared runners headed by Cape Dollar, Cochabamba, Pontenuovo and Rimth.

Havant has suddenly weakened a bit in the betting (last matched at 10.5).  She's owned by James Wigan (racing manager to George Strawbridge, owner of Moonlight Cloud), though I don't suppose that has anything to do with it.

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Agree James. His horses haven't been running that great lately. I really thought Princess Banu would go in the other day. She looks like she could be a horse worth keeping an eye on to me. I won a shed load backing her Dam back in the day at decent odds. She was one of my favourite horses of that time with the right conditions.

I think his 2yo horses aren't running great first time out but he is doing OK with his 3 year olds and older. He has some nice looking two years olds to me as well but it's very early in the season as yet.

She just hosed up in a decent maiden at Newmarket at a decent price. I knew she was looking good in what I though was Channon's better group of two year old fillies. That means he has a really nice unraced 2yo called Nayarra that could be his best 2yo and really worth keeping an eye on.

Sorry for going off topic.

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Channon has a really interesting unraced 3yo entered on Saturday at Newbury called Stella Point. He has been breezing it on the gallops with Music Show and it looks a nice prospect. Richard Hughes is booked. He is the go to jockey for Channon now for his best horses after he fell out with Fallon and Moore in spring/early summer last year. So the booking is quite interesting to me.

This horse runs today in the 3.15 Newbury, not tomorrow. Will be well worth keeping an eye on IMO. From memory it's only entered in the Irish 1000. On breeding it looks a miler and I wonder what they will do with if it runs a blinder today over what looks its maximum trip on breeding. Will be worth keeping an eye on, Majestic Dubawi flopped and he's taken Soraaya out tomorrow so Channon might be eager to talk the owners into supplementing should it run a cracker today.

I wonder if he's withdrawn Soraaya because it's not ready? I think it's likely that the running of Show Rainbow in the Nell Gwynn has given Channon enough of a sighter to know that Soraaya has enough class to go straight for the Guineas and skip the trial.

Lot to like about Stella Point's debut there if not from a Classic perspective.

One of THE most ridiculous and premature posts EVER. Imo.

With the exception of the French fillies (Moonlight Cloud and Helleborine), the top fillies are not contesting the traditional trial races this year.  But we'll see what the Fred Darling produces this afternoon.  It's possible that one of today's runners will be forward enough (or will have improved enough) to put up a reasonably impressive performance.  Cape Dollar has very solid claims and should like the ground, but Cochabamba wasn't far behind her in the Rockfel and shouldn't be ruled out.  Rimth and Pontenuovo had very good 6f form last year but it remains to be seen whether they can improve for the step up in trip.

Roger Charlton's comments on Pontenuovo: "Pontenuovo has nearly come in her coat and seems fresh and well and it will be interesting to see whether she handles the fast ground and the step up in trip as her best performances were over 6 furlongs. She has been relaxed in her work and I think todays race should suit her but as I am still learning about her."

Paul Cole on Rimth: "Rimth is heading for the Fred Darling Stakes at Newbury, a course where we’ve had some good times. We think she’ll get the 7f, and although the run will be needed to blow away the cobwebs, we hope she has the class to put up a fight."

Their is a few in the Irish Guineas that are interesting i give you that....but all one raced unexposed and wont race at Newmarket.

1000 Guineas is such a difficult classic to weigh up in terms of depth and strength because fillies are so hard to get right so early in the season. One day they haven't come in the coats next few days they starting to and it makes a world of difference if their going to run or not.

I really liked Ghannati year with Rainbow View and Cuis Ghaire but their again was very little in behind. She was much the best on the day racing up front of a good pace( if i remember correctly) and then went on to win at Ascot easily and run 3rd against all ages at goodwood.

I think the Oaks will be a very good race as their looks to be plenty of very decent unexposed middle distance fillys but the pure milers from what i can see don't look anything above average. I could well be wrong but with the market struggling to make anything clear favorite its very hard to find it remotely as exciting as say the 2000 Guineas

Comments on Rimth: last year Paul Cole said "She's as fast as I've had for a while". Jocket Tadgh O'Shea said: "She's got Queen Mary written all over her. She's very fast and very speedy.  She is the fastest two-year-old I've ridden".  After today's race Paul Cole said: "The jockey [Christophe Soumillon] thinks she'll stay a mile but he feels the French Guineas might suit her better than Newmarket.  It'll be up to the owner though."

An ever better boost for Memory !

I'm even more annoyed by Majestic Dubawi's poor run a few days ago now. In the G3 she won at Ayr lasy year she had both of the trial winners behind beating Barefoot Lady into 3rd and Rimth finished 7th some 4 and a half lengths back. On the bare form of that race Majestic Dubawi should be in with a shout in 2 weeks. Fillies are so annoying, she probably hasn't trained on, there is a chance that the race at Ayr was freak result or she may have just been a long way from fit the other day.

All the same it's just another frustrating AP bet down the toilet because by hook or by crook she has gotta improve 2lbs a day from the time of her last race to the Guineas.