Bullet Train is the only horse that appeals to me at the prices. The Lingfield trial didn't reveal a great deal because it was a slowly run affair but it looked like he had come on from Newbury, where I thought he looked very promising considering he probably needed the run. I still think he has untapped potential, whereas much of the opposition look relatively exposed.

SNA's RPT win is still the best piece of form but I thought he was hugely disappointing in the Guineas and I don't buy the excuses. While it would be foolish to write off his chances, only an idiot would want to back him at the current price.

The other two O'Brien runners, Midas Touch and Cape Blanco, look much of a muchness, I have Midas Touch just 1 pound ahead of his stablemate. They seem a similar standard to Frozen Fire and it usually takes a bit more than that to win the Derby. Both horses are open to improvement but watching the style of the victories I wouldn't say it's obvious they will.

I doubt Bullet Train is a great horse but he might not need to be to win this year.

Spirit, the last time I did a Cecil Oaks/Derby double it came up, with Ramruma and Oath (chronic aftertiming), both of their chances were a bit more obvious though, good luck.

town moor Joined: 30 Nov 07
Replies: 172 14 May 10 09:13   
Is coordinated cut gay? an erection in a paddock full of colts FFS 

no but there were some talented yorkshire fillies about

Is the Predominate stakes still run at Goodwood,or is it finnish now ?

3.45 Wednesday innit

Agreed,bunch of handicappers by the looks

Contenders

SNA - Ran just Ok in the 2000 Guineas but was champion 2yo. Bred to stay 12 furlongs and the stable seem to believe he is their best chance and seems the probable ride of JM. If he wins we will all be looking back at how obvious it was - a decent run in the guineas when the stable was totally out of form, and still the best horse on form. However at 2/1 or shorter there are just too many doubts now for this to be sensible. I would be a backer myself at 5/1.

Cape Blanco - always well regarded by the stable (Hard to know what to make of JM's post Dante comment that he can only be running for second place if SNA turns up at Epsom). Cape Blanco is unbeaten in 4 races, acts on any going and has just won the best English Derby trial by 3 lengths. He is bred to stay a mile and a half alright and has a very obvious chance.

Midas Touch - Won a maiden last year by 7 lengths and was behind Jan Vemeer in a French bog at the end of the season. won the best Irish Derby trial very well in a very fast time, and although that trial looked the most miserable renewal I can remember before the race, he won well, is progressive, and is absolutely certain to stay very well indeed. May be more of St leger horse but has a chance at Epsom.

Bullet Train Henry Cecil's Derby horse. There was a time when this alone would make him a short listed animal and the great man is certainly becoming more competitive again which is just wonderful news. There are few trainers with the knack of getting inside a horse's head and understanding their individual needs. Has improved 22 lbs from first to third run - said to be still a bit immature. has huge scope for improvement, but needs to be avout 14 lbs better than his lingfield Derby trial would suggest. If the Derby was being run in July, I would be more hopful. Has a chance as he is bound to stay 12 furlongs without being so stoutly bred you would worry that he might be too slow. A chance but its a big ask for a horse described as "still learning" by the great man.

Rewilding After progressive for on soft going for Fabre, got faster going for the first time in the Goodwood trial, and absolutely slaughtered a decent field (there were three horses in the field all rated over 100). Looks to have the ideal conformation for Epsom, stays 11 furlongs and sure to get 12. Actually has rather better form than Bullet Train and is also very progressive but also more battle hardened. Aiden's horses are a bit in and out. He has a decent chance at Epsom and I disagree with the Morning line pundits who thought 10/1 was far too short a price. The Goodwood form looks pretty decent to me and he did murder a decent lot there. Not a horse to dismiss lightly imo.

Workforce - won a maiden in amazing style although the form of that race was very modest, showed he is a group horse when finishing second in the Dante, maybe feeling the good to firm going. Only raced twice and so both inexperienced and open to significant improvement. Looks likely to stay the trip okay and would have a chance. Interestingly the bookies take very different view about his chances with Korals as long as 14's but Hillz and others as short as 8's.

Azmeel - 20's still available about this colt, who overcame some trouble in running to win the Dee Stakes (won in the past by Oath en route to Epsom). A progressive colt who may have improved a bit since he was beaten by Chabal, and sure to like the track. Azmeel is in my view a probable but not absolutely sure stayer at Epsom, but he has been carefully brought along and educated by his shrewd handler and I certainly would not put anyone off having a decent bet at 20/1.

Chabal is worth a mention. He ran 34 lbs below his Sandown form at York, with the possibility of the fastest ground that he has faced being the only excuse that I have seen. He is obviously capable of running far far better than he did at York, and his price on here of around 60 is pretty generous for a horse that won a trial at Sandown convincingly from Azmeel who went on to win the Dee Stakes quite nicely. If you just gorget about the York run , as I am inclined to, he would have a similar chance to Bullet Train and Rewilding. He is huge value.

As for any bets just now, I am inclined to wait for the going and the  overnight decs before making a decisoon, although a few quid on Chabal is not stupid, just as a metter of value.

who the **** wins the derby?

clearly not st nicholas abbey.

That irish mob have ruined it for me. I can honestly say after logging in god knows how many times and looking forward to it for a long time that i just don't give a **** now. It's a British classic and they have ****ed us about no end.

What lies??

There just stupid paddys after all.
Ignore them......while they just hoover up all the money!

How do you know they are lies???

cape blanco wins.

I should also add that many Irish people are getting fed up with them as well. That's going by one of the comment sections on an Irish racing site anyway.

I call them liars because they with hold information and tell us they don't know what will happen with certain horses when they do. Their horses set backs and injuries are completely disproportionate with other trainers in racing. They are nothing without punters both sides of the pond, so should therefore be more open about their intentions. Even from a breeding operation viewpoint, i see no benefit for them to act in this way, other than to attention seek and be awkward. they remind me of celebrities who like to turn up late at events to add to their own ego.

Just backed SNA @5.5  reason,price innit,taken a chance tbh,gut feeling it will run,and that price won't be around,still like Bullet Train and will back it,just waiting for the right price,by backing SNA have gone against what i've been saying,but it was 7/4 then,everything has a price,including me

Seems someone has also decided to cover on Bullet Train before the price collapse.