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O'Brien's hot thing being schooled in the Curragh post-racing today (Sunday). I'm starting this thread. Anyone with accurate info please supply us here with the latest and just what has been seen on-track. O'Brien was set to take several young nags out today. One thing I notice is that already with the relativley dry spell here the ground is already "good", that would suit Ballydoyle's horses.
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What is he being "schooled" over iyo ?
Fences or hurdles ? |
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last year obriens main guineas hopes worked awfully in the same public gallop, probably because of the ground they were a few weeks off schedule.
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they canter round on the bridle.
Its a day out 4 them. All you can glean is they still have 4 legs & a tail. |
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Thats a small TALE
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Oopps! I said "schooled".......
Mythical, the ground this time last year was probably soft, yes affecting O'Brien's charges. So the ground will help O'Brien's nags this year-lets hope. And I'll await any info supplied as mark my words they'll be a few lingering on after today's racing at HQ to watch. Info welcome! |
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Chappers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I would say that horse is being trained with the GNS in mind
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if he's being trained for the guineas, why is he galloping with the middle distance horses, not the milers?
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I thought that was quite satisfactory.travelled nicely
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Terry Venables 21 Mar 18:07
Interested in a couple here, Cape Blanco & Fencing Master |
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i thought age of aquarius worked well in that group,although cant get to carried away
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I spent the 20 mins freezing my bum off at the Curragh.
First of all St Nicholas Abbey was the most relaxed off the bunch other than Rip Van Winkle. He was foaming from the mouth but that is usual as they were all at it. He looked well and i from the big screen he seemed to do plenty well enough but you can comment better than that on me as i was a long way away. The very first horse in his bunch was**ers....was kicking out and causing all sorts of trouble and St Nick was very very composed. As for the others its hard to tell they all looked fit and well but nothing really stood out. I was at the gate when Jonny came in on Cape Blanco and said "He's some horse" From the ATR point of view what did Gary say? |
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Nufing!!!!!!!!!!
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CAPE BLANCO, was reported to stay on without quickening by one pundit. how did you see things JM/JM?
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I saw JohnM geting really serious with him but he picked up and did it well in the end.
That ground would not suit him and it would be pretty worn after 7 races over it. As i said Johnny was happy with that and bullish. |
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thanks for that JM/JM, i have him for both guineas and derby along with SNA, was feeling a little less hopeful after reading one report of the gallop on here.
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Well Johnny riding that of all the horse's is a clue in its self i would have imagined.
Rip van Winkle also looked very well...and is very similar to St Nick. They curl their head inwards when they walk around the paddock. Only 2 horses to do that which i think shows their fantastic tempremant |
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I saw it on ATR (didnt know they were going to show it).
Thanks for comments, ATR said something said in here already by someone that's it's a day out and shows they've four legs and a tail. He touched 5/2 briefly this afternoon in here and now gone near 11/4 again but has been 3s and over. So we'll wait, at least we'll know he's wintered OK. |
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SNA is very short for both classics,he's hardly going to repeat the feat of STS is he?would he not be more suited to the Derby?
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why can he not repeat that feat?
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Sometimes very good horses do come along at the same time,just because we had STS last year does not mean SNA cant be as good this year.Look back and you will see its happened many times.
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Nijinsky
Mill Reef |
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oh so sharp
dancing brave |
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it would be great to see if it did happen
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Zarkava
Sea the Stars |
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mr sykes,yes it would be great,I too think the Derby for SNA but I also think he has the speed and class to win the Guineas on the way!
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2nd in both the Guineas and Derby.
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To what then Kirk?
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1m2f will be his trip and he will prefer a bit of cut. Looks a weak year outside the leading contenders for the Guineas but can see Canford Cliffs beating him for toe off a fast pace.
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Am also looking forward to seeing Kingsfort he is a true miler imo though we wont know how Godolphin have done with him probably until the day.
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Kirk: what about Arcano, already beaten CC?
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Kirk,I dont think CC will stay the mile at HQ esp'in the Guineas,with a horse who stays the mile and has a clear turn of foot,Kingsfort well as hes Godolphins I cant really see him doing anything till later in the year.But as you think he is a miler then he may thrash the mighty Steinbeck in a soft GR1............only time will tell.
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It isnt ability that is preventing them running Steinbeck.
Hope it backfires and they pay the price and think Canford Cliffs will take him out on quickish ground. The Derby it is early days and as we saw with Celtic Swing there are likely to be quite a few in contention when that extra half mile needs getting. |
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St Nicholas Abbey looked good yesterday. I was at Donny for the RP Trophy and even since then he seems to have grown and filled out a fair bit. He's a beautiful looking 3YO colt.
For me he'll be very hard to beat in the Guineas. |
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Kirk,I did back fire on them last year with Steinbeck,you see Footsteps'with his first runners needed a talking horse,so Aidan talks up S'beck with the birds in the trees c,rap,runs him early he wins but at the same time buggers himself up ..............so they have to wait ages the season was almost over a run at HQ a forth in a below ave'Dewhurst,as ive said before he is a puff of nothing and I think time will show us this,they are not running him at NMKT because they know SNA will whip his god damn ass but they can set the Irish up for him.
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soldieroffortune
Its good to hear the news of St Nicholas' progress. I remember thinking years ago that when you wait for ages to get a great horse, and last year we obviously got one - the first maybe since Dubai Millenium - you then get another quickly afterwards. The Racing post Trophy was the best 2yo race of the season, the form through the second from the Acomb stakes looked very strong (looked even stronger after Vale Of York won at the Breeders cup.) St Nicholas Abbey had no easy task at doncaster. But he absolutely thrashed a quality field and won with apparently plenty in hand. I am still holding a bet for him winning the triple crown ( As Sea The Stars should have done), and given that the connections have little else that they haven't achieved so far, I reckon if he did the first 2 legs he would be a very likely contender and a very short price to do the job for me. As far as I can see, St Nicholas Abbey has the credentials to be a great horse. |
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RISH DERBY LOOKS A BETTER TARGET THAN EPSOM FOR ST NICHOLAS ABBEY
I don't often have cause to praise a big bookmaker, but I think Ladbrokes deserve a good deal of credit for not pricing up ST NICHOLAS ABBEY (38) in their 2000 Guineas betting after his impressive win in the Racing Post Trophy. They clearly share my view that it would be misleading and unethical to make what is an obvious non runner a short priced favourite in an ante-post market. If you have any doubt that St Nicholas Abbey won't line up at Newmarket consider these two stats: First, Aidan O'Brien's Racing Post Trophy runners have gone on to contest 14 Group 1's over a mile or less at three without once reaching the first four. They've done so 22 times out of 45 at longer distances. Second, so far 24 horses older than two sired by St Nicholas Abbey's sire Montjeu have tried to win a Group 1 over less than ten and a half furlongs. They all failed. St Nicholas Abbey was certainly impressive. He sat last all the way until the sprint for home began off a slowish early gallop three furlongs out. He then picked up the leaders and quickened clear, totally dominating his rivals and simply running away from them in the final furlong. For me the interesting question about St Nicholas Abbey is not the frankly silly speculation that he might run in the Guineas but whether or not he will handle Epsom. The obvious concern about St Nicholas Abbey in regards to Epsom is that big, raking stride of his. We got the chance to see it properly for the first time at Doncaster thanks to the sprint finish. Watching this run you do have to wonder how well he's going to come around Tattenham Corner. The other concern is that, like a lot of Monteju's, St Nicholas Abbey may need a bit of juice in the ground to produce his best at three. This is not often forthcoming at Epsom and is more likely at the Curragh. Add to this the easier, more galloping nature of the Curragh and I'm inclined to think that the Classic St Nicholas Abbey is most likely to win is the Irish Derby rather than the one at Epsom. I had to invoke my sectional timing formula to give St Nicholas Abbey a proper speed rating. But even taking his strong finish into account leaves this run a length per mile off what he achieved off a stronger early pace in the Beresford Stakes last time. This is another indication that a greater test of stamina will bring out the best in the horse. It should be noted that St Nicholas Abbey is closely related to Ballingarry and Aristotle (later re-named Our Aristotle). Both these horses won Group 1's at two over long trips and looked terrific prospects. But although they both performed well at three neither were Champions or anything like. So it could well be that St Nicholas Abbey will prove to be just another two year old that makes less than average physical improvement over the Winter and fails to be as dominant at three as he was as a juvenile. All that said, this was a terrific performance, as was St Nicholas Abbey's previous one in the Beresford Stakes. He'll deserve his place at the top of the Free Handicap. Glad I saw this. Laying the conkers off this one. |
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Authorized and Motivator, and last years Derby 2nd, all sired by Montjeu, Epsom should not be a problem.
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