Well I was a So You Think knocker but to be fair he ran yet another good race. You have to take things into perspective The Cox Plate is not the Arc De Triomphe nor is carrying top weight in the Melbourne Cup and losing.

As I pointed out a few weeks ago it's the equivalent of carrying top weight in the Tote Gold Trophy and expecting to go on and win the Champion Hurdle. It is simply a totally different world and close to trying to leap the Grand Canyon without a rocket.

That considered I think he's done really well to get as far as he has, he just isn't good enough to be taking on the best in Europe but is still one helluva good horse.

Failure is hardly a word I would use.

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Yep, completely agree - don't you think there should be the same level of appreciation for the horse who actually won the race, showing at least as much courage and bravery?

More thread and comment about SYT than Rewilding - says it all about hype.

I think the topic was So You Think he was a failure??

can i ask you, what did Rewilding contribute to the race besides sitting at the back of the field asleep and swooping late. have a 2 horse race between the 2 and So you Think wins each time.
only thing that got him over the line first was frankies thrashing with the whip.

a quote from Cumani one of UK's better trainers last october in melbourne, australia in regards to So You Think....."theres no horse in the world that can run sectionals like this horse"

All i say, rid the lead horse, let the horse run its own race, see who can explode 3-400 metres from home and go with him?

i appoligise  quote :when in fact he really is 3 1/2 years old.
it should read he is 4 australian times

i love the hype, pushes horses i want to back out in price, another AOB hotpot out tomorrow stepping up in distance on ground that will make this a stiffer stamina test with some useful opposition

Yeats made one attempt at the Melbourne Cup and throughout his career he was always at his brilliant best in June seeming disinterested by Autumn (let alone November).

Best thing they could do for SYT is prepare him for a third Cox Plate. Wherever he goes next the big guns will be out.

By: hippie
Date Joined: 07 Jun 05 Add contact When: 17 Jun 11 12:25 Yeats made one attempt at the Melbourne Cup and throughout his career he was always at his brilliant best in June seeming disinterested by Autumn (let alone November).

this time of the year SYT would be in a paddock getting fat with a woolie coat back in australia. seems europe horses take 12 months to climatize in australia when bought, maybe the same should be said of SYT....can someone tell me who these gun group 1 horses are? on SYT's run frankel wouldnt beat him. i seen both run at Royal Ascot and the lead horse damaged SYT's reputation more than Frankels did and Franks sectionals were slower than SYT's

^ and Pour Moi by the time the Arc comes around.

Probably a good idea to put SYT into handicap company over here to get an idea of how good he really is all hype aside.

Trouble with all this blather about eng v aus prize money Cummings stupidity and AOB's foul ups distracts from the reality out on the race course.

Its there in the result

The thing i find very strange about this whole forum BTW is the lack of any conviction for people to put their money where their mouths are, although there dose seem to be one thread devoted to bets on antepost runners.

I found a thread where two people took SYT on at the 1.40/1.50 range, and a few "claiming" they did after the event LOL.

You can still get fantastic odds against him on most races nominated yet noone seems keen to state they have. I admit i am 50/50 as to whether i can back him now as ive lost faith in O'Brien rather than the horse, but the two need to co exist well for all to be right before i can commit to a bet.

So far I am greened up at small amounts on the field for the Eclipse and Arc from before this race, nothing on the King George or Sussex at this stage as i never got that far ahead of myself.

Im stumped now what im going to do going forward.

Keep backing him if/when you think he's over the odds force.

I still believe the Frankel/SYT bet was the bet of the carnival. Perhaps behind the CC/Frankel bet actually, so in retrospect I should've had more on that one.

But anyway, the Frankel/SYT bet was still over the odss IMO. Just because an even money bet is over the odds does not mean it is a certainty. If everyone you backed who you felt was over the odds won then betting would be a mighty nice game.

I still believe anything close to evens over 10f on SYT is over the odds and will bet accordingly.

That was my one of my first thoughts when they went past the post (my first thought of course being holy crap that was a lot of money I just lost)

But i'm not so convinced now, i'm especially concerned with how little his odds in the king george and arc were adjusted. If that is a sign of things to come then evens might be lucky.

How did you even take ante-post on these races from aus? By time I saw them up on aussie sites his odds had been crunched.

I had bets matched at 7.2 and 7 on this race and layed of at 2.7 and low 2's. I put some back on at 1.7 a few days before the race so covered my ass either way.

Its the only way to play these IMO.

Advantage Aussie.....spot on.......total fiasco.

I will leave you with the just released "trollform" jockey ratings for this race.

..........FAIL, mud on his face.

..........FAIL, no thumbs up here for trying to take out the stablemate and rcae favourite.


..........WIN, though overturned on appeal to FAIL by animal rights activists, last seen being escorted off the race course by the RSPCA.

Workforce chew him up, you smelly poms really do have an inferior complex. SYT run under the circumstances was fantastic. If the way you  view that horse race leads you to pot the run I'm going to start betting on your races because there must be a lot of easy money. Go and have your monthly bath and a cup of tea and take another look

AOB has ruined Group 1 Ante Post betting with his multiple entries and lack of info on intentions.

Workforce is the only Middle Distance horse in Europe i would make favourite v So You Think.

Be different if Canford Cliffs or Frankel step up.

Sorry about the monthly bath jibe I am well awere some of you bath once a week

I remember the song sung by the barmy army while on tour out here a few years back, "we get three dollors to the pound"

Most recent tour, I don't remember them singing no more "we get a dollar and a half to the pound" probably didn't have quite the impact

And to think, they initially sent us over here as punishment!

Back to post race thoughts.

On reflection, I thought So You Think's performance was incredibile, what with him carrying not only the jockey but O'Brien and his son too, he surely set a weight carrying record!

And here's silly me, thinking the Melbourne Cup would be the last handicap race he ran in!!!

Sooty you wrote: Rondetto...can i explain to you, the Cox Plate is run over 2000 metres and is the premier weight for age race on australia's racing calender. worth 4-5 million. there has been some very highly world rated godolphin horses attempt and failed lately. please understand So you Think was a very late foal  and was actually a 2 yr old when he won at his 3rd start.then the year later.
as he was born to the southern hemisphere times he becomes a 5 yr old in europe when in fact he really is 3 1/2 years old.
in regards to the Melbourne cup, So You Think did a mighty job with a huge weight over 2 miles not having raced further than a mile and a 1/4 and raced 3 days in a group 1 and won easily before his 3rd in the melbourne cup .. it was only his class that he ran 3rd. The mighty YEATS couldnt win the Melbourne Cup with simular weight at 2 attempts i believe.

While the Cox Plate is a very valuable race it never has and never will attract the best horses in Europe as long as the Breeders and Arc exist. You mention Yeats and call him Mighty. To be perfectly frank as good as he was he wouldn't have blown wind up Fame and Glory's backside and I loved the horse and backed him in each of his Gold Cup wins.

No matter what AOB says about him training him wrong that's complete rubbish coming from a man who thinks nothing but shed value before he opens his mouth.

Are we to believe a man who turned round the form of Roderick O'Conner by over 30 lengths in a fornight makes mistakes on the lead up to Roya Ascot? I hardly think so.

So You Think was beaten by a horse who finished 8 lengths behind Workforce in the Derby who was then said to be a certainty for the St Leger and failed miserably.

He is nowhere near the best in the Europe yet despite the facts the hype continues.

So You Think is no Phar lap he's just a very good horse hyped up by the media selling you racing.

We had it with Crand Cruz, So You Think and just the other day Shamooz all being hailed as the next superhorse and we'll have another couple before the
year is out. They all looked like superstars but the truth is they beat nothing a point very conveniently missed by the media.

The way I look at it if So You Think couldn't win at Royal Ascot the chances of beating Workforce a Derby and Arc winner even at 12 furlong must lie somewhere between nil and zero.