http://www.theracingforum.co.uk/horse-racing-forum/horse-racing/you-think-route-apob-t84750.html

I can find many more easy enough but the point remains while he was winning in Aus, Europe was there for the taking, now it turns out he cant beat a medium level performer let alone a top ranking star there are a plethora of whining exuses followed by a denial that he was even rated highly back home.

BTW I am surprised the Aussies alllowed a horse to be called Black Caviar...........

Reminds me of Mary Hinge another one that slipped through

Instead of whinging and moaning about Bart's hostile words, you should stop trying to discover quotes and have a look at this list instead..

http://www.bartcummings.com.au/g1_list.asp

The Lulz continue.

The Betfair "trollform" ratings system is in full effect.

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THE maestro Bart Cummings is convinced his former champion So You Think can soon make amends for his defeat in the Prince Of Wales's Stakes.

So You Think, unbeaten in his first two European starts, started a long odds-on favourite to win the feature English Group 1 but controversial race tactics and a questionable Ryan Moore ride brought about his undoing when beaten on the line by the late-surging Rewilding.

Cummings, who trained So You Think to win the past two Cox Plates, said he believed the champion looked "slightly underdone" for the race.

"I think he looked very well, and will improve with the run," Cummings said on Sky Sports Radio. "He over-raced and was rather fresh. He pulled a little bit and he (jockey Moore) may have gone far too early.

"The horse will still improve greatly from that and the experience will educate (trainer Aidan) O'Brien about what the horse probably needs."

There is also criticism of the role stablemate and pacemaker Jan Vermeer had in bringing about So You Think's defeat.

"I think pacemakers are completely unnecessary ... I think we're on the right track in Australia barring that idea," Cummings said.


*Bart Cummings is a legend and will be defended to the death.

*It would be a great feat if you muppets could win one Melbourne Cup let alone 12.....WAKE UP.

I'd have said what I said about Frankel - bloody good horse that won despite the tactics...

I don't under-rate SYT - after all I had him in three Five folds inc Frankel, Timepiece, Fame and Glory and permed the 1st leg... that loss in total cost me over two grand... I just think Cummings should learn some manners, realise his ex star is going to be meeting far better horses than it ever has before and AOB needs to put the Coolmore marketing tongue back in his head and just let his undoubted talent and the horses' performances do the talking

I am a huge fan of AOB - went to Coolemore with the mater after IStabraq retired and met him at the racecourse the day Petrushka won and still think there's genius there... but the mouth... listen, listen, listen... just watch henry cecil or Michael Stoute, Aiden... and learn... you have 25 yrs more of this game, don't give yourself grey hairs and a heart attack by putting undue stress on yourself and the horses with the hype...

Ditto Force Majeure...

Manners maketh man, meeting Triumph and disaster with honour and grace maketh a man!

The "trollform" ratings have just been released for trainers.

..............LOSE

..............WIN


Current horse ratings are still being compiled.

I wonder who it is at BF deleting some of the posts here... [;)]

Incidentally, AOB has trained more horses rated 120+ than Cummings has had hot dinners this year, so the latter should REALLY learn to stfu... his star has gone, it's elsewhere, it's meeting better horses, it may get beaten now and then... it's gone, you don't train it now... find the next one. AND find some manmners while your there.

You are rambling on like a muppet now, im too busy trolling @LulzSec on twitter to be bothered anymore with this rather weak debate which is now about how many convicts were sent out on a boat over 200 years ago.

@LulzSec are taking over the world as we speak, there are more important things going on right now my furry friend.

"TrollForm" ratings will be back next race bigger and better.

Yes connections have found the key to Rewilding, keep him fresh, as in only start him once every three months LOL probably skip everything and go straight into the Arc.

Front on slow motion video was interesting, comparing the width So You Think and Rewilding.

So You Think definately looked like a big muscular sprinter next to Rewilding's slim profile.

Lightly framed thing is Rewilding, it would be interesting to compare their respective weight. It might explain how he ran down So You Think[:p], there was obviously a stiff tailwind that day.

So You Think will definately improve on the run but I don't see him getting revenge anytime soon, in fact he may be retired to stud before Rewilding's next start LOL

why not? That's what they do in France. You won't see any of theirs after the Grand Prix de Paris on Bastille Day until Arc trials day.

Of course, the SYT Arc excuse will be: ' He's a Southern Hemisphere horse who has been on the go for a full calendar year.'

Don't know what you're getting so worked up about anyway, not even an Aussie horse on breeding - like me claiming Sea The Stars is British!!

...and in both cases their best form is over 10f

does anyone have a good guess where SYT will run next, is the eclipse a genuine possibility?

does anyone have a good guess where SYT will run next, is the eclipse a genuine possibility?

Your Guess is as good as mine. But I've heard he's been nominated in most of the good races, even the Sussex Stakes over a mile.

This link has some info, including an explanation of Bart's comments.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/aidan-obrien-thinking-about-big-english-mile-for-so-you-think/story-fn67r1j3-1226065140104

AIDAN O'Brien has added to the So You Think program puzzle by entering the dual Cox Plate winner for the Sussex Stakes in England.

What is intriguing about the nomination is that unlike all the other races in which So You Think has been entered, the Group 1 Sussex Stakes, at Goodwood on July 27, is over 1600m.

Since So You Think joined his Ballydoyle stable in Ireland, O'Brien has repeatedly dropped hints that the four-year-old has the versatility to drop back to 1600m.

"He has the class and speed to win a Group 1 over a mile," O'Brien said this month after So You Think won his first two European starts at The Curragh, Ireland.

Neither O'Brien nor anyone else at Coolmore, which owns the six-time Group 1 winner, will declare what So You Think's itinerary is past the Group 1 Prince Of Wales's Stakes (2000m) at Royal Ascot on June 15.

Many believe O'Brien may be tempted to freshen So You Think after Ascot, run him in the Sussex Stakes, then the 2000m Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown in early September on his way to the 2400m Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp, Paris, on October 2.

Under one possible scenario, So You Think will make his final racetrack appearance in the 2400m Breeders' Cup Turf at Churchill Downs, Kentucky, on November 5.

So You Think and his former trainer Bart Cummings are making headlines throughout Europe.

Cummings' dismissive line about British racing - "it's not worth two bob" and it would collapse if "the sheiks pulled their money out" after So You Think's Group 1 Tattersalls Gold Cup win last week - caused a stir.

Outspoken trainer Mark Johnston, recently appointed a director at the British Horseracing Authority, came out firmly behind Cummings.

"I couldn't agree more with Bart Cummings. Their racing is very well funded and is progressive. Our racing is seriously under-funded and in decline," Johnston told the Racing Post.

"We have had our head in the sand for years, talking about having the best racing in the world. I don't think we have now and certainly won't have in the future.

"Bart is right when saying if Sheik Mohammed took his horses from England, our racing would be in deep trouble."

sLuca Cumani was more circumspect, but basically agreed with the tenet of Cummings' view.

Cumani noted that English racing had to be very grateful for the Maktoums and Khalid Adbdullah and handful of big concerns.

"Without these people racing would go downhill rapidly, but we have very good broodmares and stallions here and in Ireland, so we have the potential to continue breeding very good horses.

"It's a question of whether they will remain here to race when prize-money is at its current level."

Only John Dunlop seemed at odds with Cummings. His only comment was "I would simply say that Bart is an Australian".

Pretty obvious cummings wasn't actually saying the horses in europe aren't any good, clealy they are. He was just saying the way racing is set up is poor.

And the reason I ask about SYT's next race is I heard a few people saying he might not race until the irish champion stakes. Then I googled it and saw it isn't until september

Don't know what you're getting so worked up about anyway, not even an Aussie horse on breeding - like me claiming Sea The Stars is British!!

Which is partly why I'm puzzled at the vitriol directed his way. He is the best performed son of High Chaperal as far as I know. Irish born and an English Derby winner.

And it isn't so much about how good he is, what really got me riled is the bagging of what is obviously a very couragous horse, who always lays it all on the line and never shirks his task.

Unlike many of his opponents in the Prince of Wales, he's not some limited animal that needs everything to go his way to perform.

i understand the rivalry between aussies and poms, So you Think shouldnt be part of this, we should all appreciate what this horse has and "will" contribute to horse racing.

Aiden O'Brien is on record during a docuementry made a week before his Royal Ascot run that he has no idea if the horse So You Think is under done, reason being he has such a high cruising speed and his stride is nearly twice that of any other horse and his wins have been way too easy, it stated he will know and learn more about So You Think after Royal Ascot if he was fit enough.
now the race in question, Many things brought down So You Think. from the start, the stuff up with the young jockey on the lead horse who serverly checked So You Think, and race way out in front causing So You Think to over race a furlong. then the jockey going for home 3 1/2 furlongs out?? seriously that left So You Think a sitting duck for a swooper, So i ask who was really the lead horse, So You Think??? it turned out that way. To be beaten a 1/2 neck in near track record time on a good to soft going speaks volumes for So You Thinks ability. lastly,So You Think is an on pace runner who runs fast sectionals, wtf they used a lead horse for, yep agree with frankie, obrien played into their hands. dont give up on So You Think yet as he is even capable of breaking track records over a mile and mile 1/2

bart cummings wasnt rubbishing English horse's  ability just the prize money offered. typical media headlines in the UK and Australia trying to beat up a story.

Would be interested to see SYT in the Eclipse against some decent horses

John Dunlop quote says it all

Trouble is that race often cuts up to about six or seven runners

Don't know if a summer break would benefit the horse so would like to see it aimed at all the top 10f races

Bound to pick up a G1 some time, or a G2 if desperate.

Have agree re AOB, poor training and tactical performance from the Irishman.  Would like to see the horse demonstrate he is a world beater and salvage some dignity.