Canford Cliffs vs Goldakova

He did beat Rip Van Winkle easily enough .Who was no superstar but certainly a proper Group 1 Horse.

^ thats how i c it.


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Canford will beat Goldikova

'Canford Cliffs is simply over rated!' 

i'm sorry mr blonde but anyone with that opinion could not be more wrong,Canford is the best miler since Rock Of Gibralter and as good as Goldicova is he will blow her away and will win evey race he competes in this season

My take on this match up is that Hannon was extremely unlucky not to beat Goldikova last season with Paco Boy. If he takes her on with Canford Cliffs in my opinion that will be because he thinks there is an outstanding chance of beating her. That'll do for me.

nobody cares what Hughes thinks blondie,Canford shows enough on the racecourse to let everyone know what a beast he is and putting the word hype anywhere near his name is crazy and posting up silly little form lines that are meaningless regarding Rip is just stupid,i could be just as stupid if i wanted to and say the goldikova got blowen away 2 1/2 lengths by makfi at deauville yet Canford destroyed makfi by 4 1/2 lengths at ascot last year,but i know better than to do such a thing as these races were down to lots of different factors such as ground and horses running to there true mark which Rip certainly did not that day,i can tell you for an utter fact that Canford will win the queen anne and i will be backing it up with one of the largest bets that i have ever placed,i know that my money is safe and i hope you come to your senses before next week young fella

I'd be in the Goldikova camp (how could a loyal follower desert her!?), but to use Rip Van Winkle as a form guide is not recommended. He was no where near peak fitness when Goldikova beat him last year, and the rumour at the time was that there was even still a bit to work on against Canford Cliffs.

Sould be a cracker of a race, but at 13/8 I'd have to side with the mare.

think on the day your more likely to look at

canford evens

goldie 13/8

cape blanco 10/1


would love to see frankel run against these 2!!!!

how do you reckon they would go

frankel 8/13

canford 7/2

goldie 4/1

plus a few other runners ofcouse....?

Got to agree with Dessiereborn - Paco got very close in the race last year and Canford is better than him.  Paco got close because Goldi was not on top of her game and won't be again - same prep race this year and not anywhere near as impressive. She was better at 4yo than 5yo and likely better at 5yo than 6yo.  Better horse (especially with the weight concession) and achieved more than CC ever will - but next Tuesday he will run closer to his peak form than her.  Really ought to be able to find better value than near even money on what contains a lot of guessing.  Cape Blanco's inclusion means there is going to be a nice place only bet to have for third because it won't be him.

Brian T, cityscape has to be the place bet if there is some juice in the ground IMO... I agree it won't be cape blanco anyway.

agree about shumoos.... choo choo!!!!

They have both started the season well, Goldikova was excellent at Royal Ascot last season and ran in a very respectable time aswell (fast by 1.2secs), Canford cliffs also handles Ascot track and also ran a fair time (fast by 0.50sec) so it looks to be very close on paper highlighted by the betting.

My initial thought was that Canford Cliffs as a four year old looks to have improved and Goldikova is another year older. However I am not at all certain as 6 years old is no over the hill by any means and her record 16/22 means on any other occasion that 6/4 would be massive. Its a very tough call and looks the ultimate match bet as nothing else looks to have enough class. A fascinating encounter and really torn on this one.

im not saying either is a cert but i think canford will struggle to get by her, if he does then fair play.

good race in store.

As you say Mythical Prince, it's not certain she will be ridden like that. She's got plenty of speed, just look at the Breeder's Cup. She could only play into Canford Cliff's 'hoofs' by giving him something to take aim at. I wouldn't mind seeing Peslier tracking Hughesie to be honest. Although, with the pacemaker in, are they going to use slingshot tactics?

By the way, Mythical Prince, are you connected to the horse of the same name?

A 6/4 shot is a 6/4 shot Zippie.

6/4 = 40% (Goldikova)
5/4 = 44% (Canford Cliffs)
The remaining 12% made up by the rest, although the bookies mark up means it is more than 12%.

With your selected 6/4 shot:
6/4 = 40%
The remaining % is still made up by the opposition.

The fact is that both 6/4 shots have the same % chance in the opinions of the bookmakers. There may be no one single massive danger in your selected race, but there are a number of horses who represent the sum of that danger.

What we do know about Goldikova and Canford Cliffs is they rarely if ever run a poor race, so backers of both should get a run for their money.

I think Frankel and So You Think offer much better value as a double than either Goldie or CC

Richard Hughes is always going for the surprise element, turn of foot effort on CC- why doesn't he try kicking a bit further out as he just needed a few feet one time these two meet and he'd have had it!

Well I for one think has about a 50% chance of winning, and therefore for me the 13/8 is value, win, lose or draw. All about opinions!

Also, I'd agree that the Frankel/So You Think double is very tempting

zippie,you say 'I am staggered anyone would be talking about either as a good bet at less than 2/1 when you have the best taking on the 2nd best therefore a massive danger'

this is a game of opinions and if that is the way you see it then you are doing the right thing in not betting in the race,but others would see it very differently,i think the 5/4 about Canford is an absolute gift and see no possible way that he can be beaten,the fact that Goldikova has been a very strong favorite in all of her last 14 starts and the fact that she has won 11 group 1's in those 14 starts tells you just how good she is,taking all that into account the fact that Canford is favorite for this race and a very strong favorite at that,tells you just how high the opinion of him generally is,as good as Goldi is,she has been winning most of her group ones against her own sex or at the breeders cup against lesser opposition,way way below the level that Canford Cliffs sets,beating gio ponti just over a length,beating paco boy half a length and a neck,beating music show 3 lengths,beating couragous cat half a length,beating elusive wave just over a length,beating heaven sent half a length,this is hardly form that is going to have Canford running scared,the fact is that if you would have replaced Goldi with Canford in those 11 group 1's then he would have won every single one of them just as she did and probably even the races that she failed to win also,i do not at all see Goldi as a threat to Canford in this race,therefore 5/4 i am more than happy to collect on and see it as AMAZING value and i am not GUESSING on the result,at 2:30 on tuesday you are going to witness a truely exceptional performance from Canford that is going to blow you away and that i can PROMISE YOU

also regarding the frankle so you think double,Planteur is the best 10f horse in training imo and has a serious amount of ability and so you think will have to live upto every inch of the hype to beat him on wens.