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I seem to be leaning towards the french superstar if she's anythng close to 6/4 on the day, I think CC is simply over rated! Has he actually beat a class group 1 miler thus far????
Whereas I need not to mention Goldie's achievements over the same distance - UK/US or France.
Your thoughts please.....
Whereas I need not to mention Goldie's achievements over the same distance - UK/US or France.
Your thoughts please.....
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reckon that hannon is desperate to beat goldi, and surely wants canford to beat her more than anything, so i wonder if dick in as a spoiler , ok not same owners but i wonder if its some plan
No dick is running on his own merits as has happened before.... elisj, hannon wanted dick to go to france but owner insisted he go to lockinge and face CC.....
themanwho, i honestly cant wait for this race, no one wants to bet on it just enjoy, and then frankel
elisj I love Goldi she is my fave horse of all time but at the prices its a no bet.... just enjoy!!
i love goldi, but i dont know if you remember miesque, she was even better imo i was in love with her
Is Dick Turpin a non runner then?
The BBC pine cone says rain all day sunday and possibly into monday.
Place bet Dick Turpin?
The BBC pine cone says rain all day sunday and possibly into monday.
Place bet Dick Turpin?
Goldikova will no doubt follow her pacemaker. Cape blanco could then set up 2 different races by racing
very wide of the pacemaker and setting his own pace. Hughes will no doubt follow Goldikova , but CC is a bit
of a target horse who likes to beat the horses around him. If Cape blanco finds a faster strip of ground
(AOB will have walked the track pre-race) he could be clear before CC's and Goldikovas turns of foot have been
unleashed. Hughes will be aware of this , but what can he do about it? very little.
very wide of the pacemaker and setting his own pace. Hughes will no doubt follow Goldikova , but CC is a bit
of a target horse who likes to beat the horses around him. If Cape blanco finds a faster strip of ground
(AOB will have walked the track pre-race) he could be clear before CC's and Goldikovas turns of foot have been
unleashed. Hughes will be aware of this , but what can he do about it? very little.
Far From Trouble wrote:
"Canford Cliffs catches whatever is in front of him, just give him something to aim at."
That's why I wouldn't mind seeing Peslier track Hughes. It would be a sight to behold: the two of them still on the bridle, 2 out, both waiting to push the button.
Unfortunately I expect Goldikova to race handy, thus giving Canford Cliffs something to aim at.
"Canford Cliffs catches whatever is in front of him, just give him something to aim at."
That's why I wouldn't mind seeing Peslier track Hughes. It would be a sight to behold: the two of them still on the bridle, 2 out, both waiting to push the button.
Unfortunately I expect Goldikova to race handy, thus giving Canford Cliffs something to aim at.
i find it hard to see why anyone would want to take a short price either of them,id have thought theres no real value in backing either of them.its basically a toss of a coin amnd theyre priced accordingly.unlikely theyll both get beat but you nevr know.
For any thinking punter this is a LAY for both the favourites. You lose eff all if one wins but win big if the both lose.
As you can see from above neither are unbeatable and I have been backing Cape Blanco for a while now.
If you look at their individual form neither have had to pass a proper Group 1 horse on equal terms. They will have to this time while watching out for each other.
Jamie knows exactly what his dangers are doing so I expect him to lead after a couple of furlongs then gradually quicken up from half way. Passing such a horse in full flight is not like passing lowly rated front runners. With Goldi she is usually racing against other finishers, Paco Boy etc, not so this time.
Thrilling race ahead and I can see them both losing.
As you can see from above neither are unbeatable and I have been backing Cape Blanco for a while now.
If you look at their individual form neither have had to pass a proper Group 1 horse on equal terms. They will have to this time while watching out for each other.
Jamie knows exactly what his dangers are doing so I expect him to lead after a couple of furlongs then gradually quicken up from half way. Passing such a horse in full flight is not like passing lowly rated front runners. With Goldi she is usually racing against other finishers, Paco Boy etc, not so this time.
Thrilling race ahead and I can see them both losing.
Your talking utter rubbish brig,just showing yourself to be a total idiot when it comes to this race or racing in general for that matter
The FACT is that Canford and Goldikova will finish 1st and 2nd in that order and if you cant see that then you need serious help
you say ' i have been backing cape blanco for a while now'
i say 'you have been p1ssing money down the drain then'
The FACT is that Canford and Goldikova will finish 1st and 2nd in that order and if you cant see that then you need serious help
you say ' i have been backing cape blanco for a while now'
i say 'you have been p1ssing money down the drain then'
So much hot air! The grounds now good to soft - will this hinder Canford?
That is not necessary TFM. I am just as entitled to my opinion as you are.
In the meantime why not tell me which Gr1 horse either Goldikova or Canford Cliffs has beaten that has not been beaten further or is better than the Gr1 horses Cape Blanco has beaten? Take your time, I am patient.
In the meantime why not tell me which Gr1 horse either Goldikova or Canford Cliffs has beaten that has not been beaten further or is better than the Gr1 horses Cape Blanco has beaten? Take your time, I am patient.
I don't get the argument your trying to make brigust or anyone else for that matter that looks at the form in that way. You said In the meantime why not tell me which Gr1 horse either Goldikova or Canford Cliffs has beaten that has not been beaten further or is better than the Gr1 horses Cape Blanco has beaten? This is neither here nor there as they have in equal measure been racing against the same horses thus beating the same horses time and time again by varying distances from differing circumstances. There is not that many top class group 1 class horses in training! Also, horses have off days, they cannot speak English, so how can anyone tell whether a particular horse e.g has turned up at the race track to run in a race, has a headache for example? You can't. It is different if e.g there is heat found in a leg or something cos this shows up on the outside.
I think the betting has it spot on! And, if it is a toss of a coin, YES please, i'll take 5/4 and 13/8 about to even money chances thank you!!
I think the betting has it spot on! And, if it is a toss of a coin, YES please, i'll take 5/4 and 13/8 about to even money chances thank you!!
I apologise
But your question is irrelevant as tomorrows race is over a mile and CB has never in his life raced over a mile before so comparing what he has done against horses over 10f is pointless
You are tipping a horse who has never in his life raced over a mile and would not have the speed to even if he had a rocket up his ass against 2 of the fastes milers that we have seen in the last decade-its beyond fantasy
But your question is irrelevant as tomorrows race is over a mile and CB has never in his life raced over a mile before so comparing what he has done against horses over 10f is pointless
You are tipping a horse who has never in his life raced over a mile and would not have the speed to even if he had a rocket up his ass against 2 of the fastes milers that we have seen in the last decade-its beyond fantasy
I'm not arguing STS, I'm just putting forward an alternative and supporting it with facts. At the moment that is all I can do. If CB wins and I started stating facts after the race everyone will be calling me an after-timer.
I genuinely think this is not a 2 horse race, like most people. And like most people I am wrong sometimes.
However CB has all of the necessary credentials to win. He definitely stays the trip, is definitely Group 1 material and definitely has form lines to beat both of the dangers.
Add to that the fact that he has an uncomplicated running style which, on a stiff track and a straight mile will improve his chances. Plus he knows exactly what his dangers will do.
Makes sense to me and I fully expect to be collecting tomorrow.
I have as much chance of being wrong about my 16 and 18/1 chance as you have with your 5/4 and 11/8 chance. THat has to be sense.
I genuinely think this is not a 2 horse race, like most people. And like most people I am wrong sometimes.
However CB has all of the necessary credentials to win. He definitely stays the trip, is definitely Group 1 material and definitely has form lines to beat both of the dangers.
Add to that the fact that he has an uncomplicated running style which, on a stiff track and a straight mile will improve his chances. Plus he knows exactly what his dangers will do.
Makes sense to me and I fully expect to be collecting tomorrow.
I have as much chance of being wrong about my 16 and 18/1 chance as you have with your 5/4 and 11/8 chance. THat has to be sense.
Timeform rate Gold 146 and cliffs 145, how can anybody not have any doubts about the other one, never a max bet ever!
Comparisons
Canford Cliffs comes to this race with 5 group wins (4 Group 1 over 8f)
Paco Boy came to the 2009 race with just one group 1 win (over 7f)
Paco Boy tried to repeat his success 2010 when beaten by Goldikova with 3 group 1 wins – but the repeat win stat for QA was also against him.
Goldikova as a 4yo prior to her Grp1 win at Nmkt had 3 G1 wins (all 8f) to her c.v.
She now has 13 Group 1 wins (10 at 8f) in her c.v. Only two runs in UK and both wins on second run of year.
It would appear that Canford Cliffs is better at this stage of his career than both Paco Boy and Goldikova – at the age of four – based upon his 4 group 1 wins compared to both Paco Boy (one GP 1 win) and Goldikova (3 GP 1 wins).
Saying that there is no comparison available with the mare v horse at the ages.
It's case of sticking Canford Cliffs in a multiple or jackpot bet if you have to
I prefer to watch and see if any of the race stats uphold this year
either the poor Course win stats for this race (three) - or the 6yo upwards win stats (none in last 32 years) - or Queen Anne repeat win stats (none since • Dean Swift – 1906, 1907 )
Canford Cliffs comes to this race with 5 group wins (4 Group 1 over 8f)
Paco Boy came to the 2009 race with just one group 1 win (over 7f)
Paco Boy tried to repeat his success 2010 when beaten by Goldikova with 3 group 1 wins – but the repeat win stat for QA was also against him.
Goldikova as a 4yo prior to her Grp1 win at Nmkt had 3 G1 wins (all 8f) to her c.v.
She now has 13 Group 1 wins (10 at 8f) in her c.v. Only two runs in UK and both wins on second run of year.
It would appear that Canford Cliffs is better at this stage of his career than both Paco Boy and Goldikova – at the age of four – based upon his 4 group 1 wins compared to both Paco Boy (one GP 1 win) and Goldikova (3 GP 1 wins).
Saying that there is no comparison available with the mare v horse at the ages.
It's case of sticking Canford Cliffs in a multiple or jackpot bet if you have to
I prefer to watch and see if any of the race stats uphold this year
either the poor Course win stats for this race (three) - or the 6yo upwards win stats (none in last 32 years) - or Queen Anne repeat win stats (none since • Dean Swift – 1906, 1907 )
Your right,not even the mighty Rakti could win this as a 6 yo and 9 of the last 10 winners have been colts also
I not saying CB is not interesting in this race, he certainly is, but i like many don't expect him to have the pace to live up to CC or Goldi. However going back to it being interesting, yes it is, and yes i could also be wrong like many others, as he has only ever raced over 7f 10f and 12f but never 8f, although not 7f since his 2 yr old days (without looking i'm not sure educated guess lol) which is why i would be surprised he would have the pace.
However, he is almost certain (all being well and they all run to form) to finish 3rd, so if you have backed e,way brigust antepost your on with 3 places and good luck to you you have some nice prices. I can see it possibly finishing 2nd, but i would be surprised if he won.
However, he is almost certain (all being well and they all run to form) to finish 3rd, so if you have backed e,way brigust antepost your on with 3 places and good luck to you you have some nice prices. I can see it possibly finishing 2nd, but i would be surprised if he won.
YOU'VE GOT TO FANCY GOLDI , I'M HALF EXPECTING HUGHES TO MAKE A BALLS UP AS USUAL TO BE HONEST
No I'm win only STS but I have in the back of my mind to lay off in running at 3s so that I win on any winner. UNfortunately my gambling instinct wants me to leave it run. I will wait until nearer the time then decide.
Fitri Hay was on Get On and said he has bags of speed and their plan is to break the big two. My sentiments entirely.
Fitri Hay was on Get On and said he has bags of speed and their plan is to break the big two. My sentiments entirely.
Dean Swift was a pretty good horse, but it was a different race then.
I think it is a pretty good opener and out of pure sentiment am going to have the odd 50p on Goldikova
I think it is a pretty good opener and out of pure sentiment am going to have the odd 50p on Goldikova
brigust with all due respect you seem to be plucking at straws and your reasoning as to why CB will beat them is ridiculous. neither is unbeatable and esp now that the rain has come but on even your selection wants good ground and would have a small chance of turning over the 2 favs. his price now is silly but if u are on at bigger then fair enough.
brigust1 Joined: 07 Dec 01
Replies: 1938 13 Jun 11 09:42 For any thinking punter this is a LAY for both the favourites. You lose eff all if one wins but win big if the both lose.
As you can see from above neither are unbeatable and I have been backing Cape Blanco for a while now.
If you look at their individual form neither have had to pass a proper Group 1 horse on equal terms. They will have to this time while watching out for each other.
Jamie knows exactly what his dangers are doing so I expect him to lead after a couple of furlongs then gradually quicken up from half way. Passing such a horse in full flight is not like passing lowly rated front runners. With Goldi she is usually racing against other finishers, Paco Boy etc, not so this time.
Thrilling race ahead and I can see them both losing.
this is not opinion, u are SAYING fav backers are not thinking punters? u seem to have tunnel vision when it comes to your selection. goldikova has won more gp1s than the entire field together and yet u crab her form, even if she gets beat, your argument is ridiculous with all due respect.
provided there hasnt been much rain i believe she will be hard to beat. cityscape is prob the biggest outsider with a chance now that the ground is getting soft.
gl
brigust1 Joined: 07 Dec 01
Replies: 1938 13 Jun 11 09:42 For any thinking punter this is a LAY for both the favourites. You lose eff all if one wins but win big if the both lose.
As you can see from above neither are unbeatable and I have been backing Cape Blanco for a while now.
If you look at their individual form neither have had to pass a proper Group 1 horse on equal terms. They will have to this time while watching out for each other.
Jamie knows exactly what his dangers are doing so I expect him to lead after a couple of furlongs then gradually quicken up from half way. Passing such a horse in full flight is not like passing lowly rated front runners. With Goldi she is usually racing against other finishers, Paco Boy etc, not so this time.
Thrilling race ahead and I can see them both losing.
this is not opinion, u are SAYING fav backers are not thinking punters? u seem to have tunnel vision when it comes to your selection. goldikova has won more gp1s than the entire field together and yet u crab her form, even if she gets beat, your argument is ridiculous with all due respect.
provided there hasnt been much rain i believe she will be hard to beat. cityscape is prob the biggest outsider with a chance now that the ground is getting soft.
gl
and what else is fitri hay going to say, that hes not fast?
he has a chance but i would be v surprised if he was good enough over a mile on softening ground.
he has a chance but i would be v surprised if he was good enough over a mile on softening ground.
Why does everyone think insulting others opinions is the way to go.
Anyone who backs Goldi is gambling against at least Canford Cliffs.
Anyone who backs CC is gambling against Goldi.
No-one knows who will win or be better of the two. Unless I'm missing soething.
If you back or lay both you will win or lose not a lot.
The angle I am coming from I have backed up with my theories previously, I don't know what will happen but, and it is a big but, if I am right I will win a lot or lose a little. I would rather be where I am than anywhere else.
That's all.
Let the games begin.
Anyone who backs Goldi is gambling against at least Canford Cliffs.
Anyone who backs CC is gambling against Goldi.
No-one knows who will win or be better of the two. Unless I'm missing soething.
If you back or lay both you will win or lose not a lot.
The angle I am coming from I have backed up with my theories previously, I don't know what will happen but, and it is a big but, if I am right I will win a lot or lose a little. I would rather be where I am than anywhere else.
That's all.
Let the games begin.
Any odds on a dead heat between CC & goldi?
I think I will be enjoying rather than betting on this one
I think I will be enjoying rather than betting on this one
I'm just gonna lay them both to place. They both seem over valued. I definitely can't back either of them at the odds.
Good/soft ground.....need a crystal ball to see which one is affected the most.
any reason why CC has drifted massivly since y.day morning????
2.1 to 2.2 now 2.4!!!!
whereas goldie a huge positive 2.76 into 2.5!
where are you u Canford fans???? or have you not backed up your mouths with your wallets [;)] haha!
unless you've all been shrewd & taken 11/10 a 6/4 shot!
CMON GOLDIKOVA!!!!!
2.1 to 2.2 now 2.4!!!!
whereas goldie a huge positive 2.76 into 2.5!
where are you u Canford fans???? or have you not backed up your mouths with your wallets [;)] haha!
unless you've all been shrewd & taken 11/10 a 6/4 shot!
CMON GOLDIKOVA!!!!!
ground forcing his price out id imagine.
im with u tho, hope she wins.
im with u tho, hope she wins.
haha! thankyou young sir... lots of luck to you,
have to laugh at a few of these posts put on here... mindless & uneducated mainly from "the form man" complete guesser...!
don't know what the rest of you think???
have to laugh at a few of these posts put on here... mindless & uneducated mainly from "the form man" complete guesser...!
don't know what the rest of you think???
btw.... do will hills know something we don't - laying 6/4 CC & 13/8 Goldie.....! (by far better value than on here & no comm)
either they've laid a huge chunk on Cape Blanco at huge odds??? or they are just plain stupid!
which is it????
either they've laid a huge chunk on Cape Blanco at huge odds??? or they are just plain stupid!
which is it????
They want to get their Ascot dosh in one hit on the first race. Get both beat they can enjoy a great start. If one wins the cost isn't stupid.
surely they've picked the WRONG race to try & get both favs beat in!!!
paddy power are another when they lay the best price you know its a mistake...
"if barca win in normal time we'll refund all losing bets") yeh ok - SLOW INDIVIDUALS!!!!!
lol
paddy power are another when they lay the best price you know its a mistake...
"if barca win in normal time we'll refund all losing bets") yeh ok - SLOW INDIVIDUALS!!!!!
lol
WHY CANFORD CLIFFS DO NOT RUN SINCE 28 JUL 2010 TO MAY 2011?
thanks
do the colt have a problem?
thanks
do the colt have a problem?
No I think they have picked the right race.
The fist race of the meeting when everyone has an opinion and the cash. It looks a 2 horse race and the majority of their turnover will be on the top 2. Get them both beat a its laughing all the way to the bank.
The fist race of the meeting when everyone has an opinion and the cash. It looks a 2 horse race and the majority of their turnover will be on the top 2. Get them both beat a its laughing all the way to the bank.
"any reason why CC has drifted massivly since y.day morning????
I recall Paco Boy doing same thing in Sandown or Lockinge race.
Capo Blanco followers - beware - the only time in recent years a 12f group 1 winner came good was in 2005 when the race was run at York. Even the 2nd horse that year had Group 1 form at 12f.
I recall Paco Boy doing same thing in Sandown or Lockinge race.
Capo Blanco followers - beware - the only time in recent years a 12f group 1 winner came good was in 2005 when the race was run at York. Even the 2nd horse that year had Group 1 form at 12f.
Why beware Pinza? York is a much faster track than Ascot and less suitable for 12f horses.
And 12f horses seldom run in this race anyway. Not Gr1 winners at 12f that is.
And 12f horses seldom run in this race anyway. Not Gr1 winners at 12f that is.
The Canford fans are right here blondie and have placed the $$$$$ down on him.
As for being a complete guesser,strange way to guess would you not say-taking on a 13 time group 1 winner and categorically stating without question that Canford will win the queen anne tomorrow,you and all other backers against Canford should be very worried about what i and others know about this horse that amateurs such as yourself dont
also have not seen a post from you in a few days.....working i guess,shame you dont have the talent to make a living from gambling like the very best of us,im sure your 9-5 job is a credit to you tho
if your ever stuck for a few quid just look me up on here kid,i could use a good pool cleaner and grass cutter
As for being a complete guesser,strange way to guess would you not say-taking on a 13 time group 1 winner and categorically stating without question that Canford will win the queen anne tomorrow,you and all other backers against Canford should be very worried about what i and others know about this horse that amateurs such as yourself dont
also have not seen a post from you in a few days.....working i guess,shame you dont have the talent to make a living from gambling like the very best of us,im sure your 9-5 job is a credit to you tho
if your ever stuck for a few quid just look me up on here kid,i could use a good pool cleaner and grass cutter
Pinza it was a very race in 2005 with Rakti and Starcraft beaten. I very, very good race.
Previously Kalanisi a 10f/12f Gr1 winner won a hot renewal. That was at Ascot.
Previously Kalanisi a 10f/12f Gr1 winner won a hot renewal. That was at Ascot.
ahhhhhh mr form man - glad to hear your up to your usual knowledge - huthmmm Bu** Sh** sounds more like it...!
& yes wrong again! its called a week end mate - you should try it some time & leave your dull dusky 1 bed flat & see that rather than boreing us with your droan on here!!!!!
but i do like to hear it somethimes - it keeps me & many others entertained!
yet again you show how formsless your tips prove to be... you say you've already put up ur £10er's worth on CC for 2morrow - if that is the truth (& i highly doubt it) you've taken a shuddie price as you can see goldie is only a 10th of a point be hind CC in the betting & will probs go off fav!
CMON THE KOVA!!!!!
& yes wrong again! its called a week end mate - you should try it some time & leave your dull dusky 1 bed flat & see that rather than boreing us with your droan on here!!!!!
but i do like to hear it somethimes - it keeps me & many others entertained!
yet again you show how formsless your tips prove to be... you say you've already put up ur £10er's worth on CC for 2morrow - if that is the truth (& i highly doubt it) you've taken a shuddie price as you can see goldie is only a 10th of a point be hind CC in the betting & will probs go off fav!
CMON THE KOVA!!!!!
form man ur a complete bender son. u knock me sick
form man ur a complete bender son. u knock me sick
Cant see Goldikova getting beat.
A classs act and cladd usually wins the day at ascot
A classs act and cladd usually wins the day at ascot
im a jumps man but id like goldikova to win just so u can be wrong that would be nice
dw about that mate - this guy is used to being wrong...!
tomorrow will just confirm this!
tomorrow will just confirm this!
there is a little thing in the betting world called 'best odds guaranteed' blondie my friend,so even if he goes off bigger than the 5/4 i have taken then i get paid anyway and the only reason for the ever so slightly Canford drift is due to the rain on course today,but the straight mile course will be good tomorrow and the Canford plunge will be back on,he will go off evens or shorter
yet again mr form you proove how silly u look to the rest of us. you claim you took 5/4 - yes ok - & if he doesnt drift on the sp you'll get paid out @ best @ 5/4 - typical mug - not thinking things throught - he is now 2.4+ on the exchanges!!!
you seem to be happy to take 5/4 a 7/5 chance - sounds logical to you im sure - not to the rest of us.
& please hold on to the hope you have with CC going off evens or shorter.... as it wont happen! lol
loser!!!
you seem to be happy to take 5/4 a 7/5 chance - sounds logical to you im sure - not to the rest of us.
& please hold on to the hope you have with CC going off evens or shorter.... as it wont happen! lol
loser!!!
i cant predict the weather blondie,just the winners and you have been warned about the result so choose your selection wisely,i wont be back here tomorrow to gloat,not my style,i just make a firm and aggresive opinion before hand and watch it come to pass.
gl sir
gl sir
come to pass when mr hughes watches Goldie set of into the distance & not being able to comes in time - good bye loser!!!
WIN WIN WIN WIN - SIMPLE WIN!!!
WIN WIN WIN WIN - SIMPLE WIN!!!
My opinion of Canford Cliffs has still not changed
He is indeed the real deal. Travels so well in his races and seems to do enough to win and no extra, giving the impression that he has a lot more in his locker. Hughesy and Hannon know this and know exactly how he should be ridden now, as long as there is a target to aim at he'll catch them. He has most certainly improved a ton since getting beat in the Greenham and Guineas and there may well be more to come from him
As much as I adore Goldikova she hasn't had a test like this since Zarkava, and personally think we will see something very special from Canford Cliffs
He is indeed the real deal. Travels so well in his races and seems to do enough to win and no extra, giving the impression that he has a lot more in his locker. Hughesy and Hannon know this and know exactly how he should be ridden now, as long as there is a target to aim at he'll catch them. He has most certainly improved a ton since getting beat in the Greenham and Guineas and there may well be more to come from him
As much as I adore Goldikova she hasn't had a test like this since Zarkava, and personally think we will see something very special from Canford Cliffs
tactics should be interesting.
the heart says goldikova but the head says canford cliffs.
the heart says goldikova but the head says canford cliffs.
if it comes to tactics you would obviously want Peslier over Hughes every time
The tactics are these. With Goldi drawn 1 and CC drawn 6 then CC will have to drop in at the rear and Goldi will either have to sit wide or drop in with CC.
Meanwhile CB drawn 4 will get the rail in front of the pacemaker drawn 2. RDLP and RN will sit in 3rd and 4th. Jamie will dictate from the front and both Goldi and CC will have to hope for breaks or circle the field. My guess is OP will keep RH on the rails at the back and wait for a late run. While he is doing this Jamie will be clearing off into the sunset.
Simple.
Meanwhile CB drawn 4 will get the rail in front of the pacemaker drawn 2. RDLP and RN will sit in 3rd and 4th. Jamie will dictate from the front and both Goldi and CC will have to hope for breaks or circle the field. My guess is OP will keep RH on the rails at the back and wait for a late run. While he is doing this Jamie will be clearing off into the sunset.
Simple.
Looking forward to this
Very rarely if ever do I allow sentiment to influence my betting but a small wager on Goldikova is de rigeur today
Would not be very surprised to see it beaten but applaud all parties for standing up to be counted
Wonder how the time will compare to the SJPS later. Probably be a more sensible race this one
Very rarely if ever do I allow sentiment to influence my betting but a small wager on Goldikova is de rigeur today
Would not be very surprised to see it beaten but applaud all parties for standing up to be counted
Wonder how the time will compare to the SJPS later. Probably be a more sensible race this one
Joe C's man Dave Stevens said this morning on TV "we are very much in the Canford Cliffs camp" Why then are you rock bottom 6/5 Goldikova?
And to come out and say we lay a bet. OMG. I can't take any more of this from these PR men. They talk complete and utter cr@p.
Goldi is my pick of the 2.
And to come out and say we lay a bet. OMG. I can't take any more of this from these PR men. They talk complete and utter cr@p.
Goldi is my pick of the 2.
hard to be overly confident but i think the mare will win.
hope she does anyway.
gl with ur bets.
hope she does anyway.
gl with ur bets.
Goldikova for me. Canford Cliffs doesn't have one single piece of form that suggests he could beat her. I think people get sucked in by what Hannon has to say, but he always overhypes his horses, he's the Charlie Mann of the flat world.
goldikova has NEVER lost a race when she has hit the front 
The stalls are in the centre!.
Goldie will get first run and is proven on any ground,
If you watched her swoop pass all those runners in her past 2 Breeders Cup Wins,she has a better turn off foot than C.C.
He Won a bad Lockinge.
Goldie will get first run and is proven on any ground,
If you watched her swoop pass all those runners in her past 2 Breeders Cup Wins,she has a better turn off foot than C.C.
He Won a bad Lockinge.
They were in the centre last year and hey still tracked over to the stand side.
Goldie took it up too soon last year,after going 3L up she was Dossing in front.
OH DEAR GOLDI BACKERS 
!!!
HA HA HA
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!! HA HA HA
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations to all fellow professionals who know this game inside out,well done on collecting the heavy money
To all the kids trying to play at this game with us big boys,please give up and save yourself further shame and embarrassment by finding a new hobby
that especially applies to Blondie and brigLOSERS!!!!!!!
o choose your selection wisely,i wont be back here tomorrow to gloat,not my style,
To all the kids trying to play at this game with us big boys,please give up and save yourself further shame and embarrassment by finding a new hobby that especially applies to Blondie and brig
To all the kids trying to play at this game with us big boys,please give up and save yourself further shame and embarrassment by finding a new hobby that especially applies to Blondie and brig
TheFormMan
14 Jun 11 14:42
Congratulations to all fellow professionals who know this game inside out,well done on collecting the heavy money
To all the kids trying to play at this game with us big boys,please give up and save yourself further shame and embarrassment by finding a new hobby that especially applies to Blondie and brig
LOSERS!!!!!!!
CLASSY
14 Jun 11 14:42
Congratulations to all fellow professionals who know this game inside out,well done on collecting the heavy money
To all the kids trying to play at this game with us big boys,please give up and save yourself further shame and embarrassment by finding a new hobby that especially applies to Blondie and brig
LOSERS!!!!!!!
CLASSY
I would call that very strong advise rather than gloating,i pity a lot of those people who are beneath me and just want them to keep there money in there pockets rather than p1ss it down the drain.
I'm here to help
i must say form man you do know your racing.
you did pinpoint st nicolas abbey,golden lilac among others.
didn't follow you on this one[not a big player myself]but credit where credits due.
you did pinpoint st nicolas abbey,golden lilac among others.
didn't follow you on this one[not a big player myself]but credit where credits due.
the answer is 'i dont no' Mugboyunlike most people i dont have a problem with gambling and dont feel the need to bet on every single race run [smiley:crazy]
I'm here to make money and do that by backing horses that i am certain will win,just like Canford
Good luck trying to chase back your losses tho
Thank you ribotman
hope you enjoy the racing and make a few quid
hope you enjoy the racing and make a few quid
Unlucky Goldi backers!
Was that fried egg or scrambled that was wiped off all of those faces today?
Was that fried egg or scrambled that was wiped off all of those faces today?
I backed Goldikova today as I thought she was better than CC. Having watched the race and just noticed that Mr Peslier put up 2lb overweight! and eventually eased her near the line when beaten I am not so sure I was wrong.
My money was down and I got it wrong today but to be beaten a length eased with an extra 2lb is not Mr P's finest hour.
My money was down and I got it wrong today but to be beaten a length eased with an extra 2lb is not Mr P's finest hour.
Missed the weighed in - but I'm told Peslier was TWO POUNDS OVER WHEN HE WEIGHED IN???
IF SO... that is equal to the length he was beaten... W.A.C.T. he is... get in the effing sauna and get the weight off you useless plonkerrr... I actually backed both cc AND goldie to equal stakes so made a small 25% profit with which I very happy... but the fact she seemed not to quite fire when the button was pushed, was a little lively in the ring before and the jock was 2lb (apparently) O/W will have made a difference... actually came out of the race much more impressed with Goldie than I was with Canford, having never seen her in the flesh before... lovely light frame, perky on her toes... cheeky with her trainer afterwards, bucking him - he was gentle as a lamb with her... she will win a couple more Grp1s before the end of the season and may well beat CC at Goodwood if she/e turns up (she's Not entered) or somewhere else because she wasn't quite at her best today and the jock wasn't quite at his best either and obviously either forgot to give the missis a portion last night or had too many croissants on the eurostar...
IF SO... that is equal to the length he was beaten... W.A.C.T. he is... get in the effing sauna and get the weight off you useless plonkerrr... I actually backed both cc AND goldie to equal stakes so made a small 25% profit with which I very happy... but the fact she seemed not to quite fire when the button was pushed, was a little lively in the ring before and the jock was 2lb (apparently) O/W will have made a difference... actually came out of the race much more impressed with Goldie than I was with Canford, having never seen her in the flesh before... lovely light frame, perky on her toes... cheeky with her trainer afterwards, bucking him - he was gentle as a lamb with her... she will win a couple more Grp1s before the end of the season and may well beat CC at Goodwood if she/e turns up (she's Not entered) or somewhere else because she wasn't quite at her best today and the jock wasn't quite at his best either and obviously either forgot to give the missis a portion last night or had too many croissants on the eurostar...
Dear oh dear
Glad I only went in small, but OP, dreadful in match race of the year so far and he is overweight!
Boggles the mind
Glad I only went in small, but OP, dreadful in match race of the year so far and he is overweight!
Boggles the mind
I backed Cape Blanco, didn't lay off in running. Ran terribly. Only lost a little and lets hope we have a chance to get some recompense in the future. I think the 2lb, I thought it was a pound only, didn't make the slightest difference. The ground was probably the most significant factor. On good or faster grund I think the winner would always win, on softer it may be a different story.
Brigust... It was announced as 1lb before the race... but apparently on here people are saying he weighed in TWO pound over and RP results page confirms that... TWO POUNDS - that is the length she was beaten...
I take your point about the ground... but I think it's more likely it's age... She would have beaten CC last year and Hughes was still too far back imho in the race on CC... he got home/past her because her turbo didn't fire, OP was 2lb over and CC now stays 11f possibly 12...
Not talking out of my pocket - backed both - and still love CC, but liked every inch I saw of Goldie
Frankel will murder both if they ever meet... save HIS turbo until the 7th or 8th furlong and he shoots five lengths clear at the one pole and TQ's suddenly a hero and not queasy at the though
I take your point about the ground... but I think it's more likely it's age... She would have beaten CC last year and Hughes was still too far back imho in the race on CC... he got home/past her because her turbo didn't fire, OP was 2lb over and CC now stays 11f possibly 12...
Not talking out of my pocket - backed both - and still love CC, but liked every inch I saw of Goldie
Frankel will murder both if they ever meet... save HIS turbo until the 7th or 8th furlong and he shoots five lengths clear at the one pole and TQ's suddenly a hero and not queasy at the though
...t of getting Frankel beaten through panic or misjudgement
Pretty sure Canford will beat Frankel
Faster they go for him the better
Faster they go for him the better
I think CC's a miler, thats all. And yesterday probably just confirmed form. Makfi beat him and beat her. I also think last years form is beginning to look better than this year. Take Frankel away and what have you got? Roderick O'Connor, Dubawi Gold, Zoffany, Dream Ahead. Looks weaker than last years.
FFT - Frankel, ridden differently, would murder him
Frankel took ten lengths out of the field at the start of the Guinneas and five yesterday at the three pole off a good pace...
Queally should sit BEHIND CC and say to Hughes... ride a proper race mate coz I'll out-kick you any time I want... in fact ride any race tactic Hughesie and Frankel outkicks CC... if he's dropped in and idles with his high cruising speed they could push that turbo any time and take 5l out of CC with Hughies still paddling with his arxxrse in the air - he's over-rated, just gets to ride some stars and makes him look good. Good hold up jockey but taht's ALL he can do...
Frankel has proven the turbo works at the start (Guinneas), 5 pole (Yesterday) and no reason why it cld no be used @ the 1 pole in a 8/9/10 furlong race...
Imagine he'll go to Juddemont International next and PLEASE GOD TQ holds him up and presses the nitro inside the last furlong...
Frankel took ten lengths out of the field at the start of the Guinneas and five yesterday at the three pole off a good pace...
Queally should sit BEHIND CC and say to Hughes... ride a proper race mate coz I'll out-kick you any time I want... in fact ride any race tactic Hughesie and Frankel outkicks CC... if he's dropped in and idles with his high cruising speed they could push that turbo any time and take 5l out of CC with Hughies still paddling with his arxxrse in the air - he's over-rated, just gets to ride some stars and makes him look good. Good hold up jockey but taht's ALL he can do...
Frankel has proven the turbo works at the start (Guinneas), 5 pole (Yesterday) and no reason why it cld no be used @ the 1 pole in a 8/9/10 furlong race...
Imagine he'll go to Juddemont International next and PLEASE GOD TQ holds him up and presses the nitro inside the last furlong...
Canford has the speed to lay up with anything, i'm utterly convinced of that. I think he'd give the top 6f horses a damn good run for their money
Frankel super horse, but I firmly believe Canford Cliffs is truely special
Frankel super horse, but I firmly believe Canford Cliffs is truely special
My point is Frankel should be held up BEHIND CC... because he can outkick him at ANY point in the race...
They will have to change the jockey. Sad, but true.
He takes the horse from 2nd gear to flat out, that is not good for the horse. He needs to go through the gears one at a time slowly getting the horse into full stride. He will then remain balanced and understand what racing is all about. Before they burn him out or fry his brain.
He takes the horse from 2nd gear to flat out, that is not good for the horse. He needs to go through the gears one at a time slowly getting the horse into full stride. He will then remain balanced and understand what racing is all about. Before they burn him out or fry his brain.
I'm with you brigust.
Get a proper jockey on board and Frankel could make a race of it. With current pilots, assuming OP can be bothered to make the weight receiving full WFA benefit Frankel is safely the outsider of three.
Very interesting if they could get a jockey who could hold him up ma bit. Might prove to be the wonder horse everyone has been talking about.
Get a proper jockey on board and Frankel could make a race of it. With current pilots, assuming OP can be bothered to make the weight receiving full WFA benefit Frankel is safely the outsider of three.
Very interesting if they could get a jockey who could hold him up ma bit. Might prove to be the wonder horse everyone has been talking about.
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