perhaps a pair of glasses might help my friend just like those but with proper lenses [;)]

Hey Mythical P! I think the form man is a latter day James Joyce splurging out his mighty prose in one long stream of consciousness that enlightens us all.

I actually found a 100/1 winner of the Mackeson back in 1991 by a thourough consultation with Ulysses

By the way allegations that Joyce was a copraphyliac have proved to be unfounded

sterling

Canford Cliffs catches whatever is in front of him, just give him something to aim at

No dick is running on his own merits as has happened before.... elisj, hannon wanted dick to go to france but owner insisted he go to lockinge and face CC.....

elisj I love Goldi she is my fave horse of all time but at the prices its a no bet.... just enjoy!!

wow! Get a room you 2!

(L)

Canford Cliffs is different gravy to Paco Boy.

Goldi will not want the rain.

Far From Trouble wrote:
"Canford Cliffs catches whatever is in front of him, just give him something to aim at."

That's why I wouldn't mind seeing Peslier track Hughes. It would be a sight to behold: the two of them still on the bridle, 2 out, both waiting to push the button.

Unfortunately I expect Goldikova to race handy, thus giving Canford Cliffs something to aim at.

For any thinking punter this is a LAY for both the favourites. You lose eff all if one wins but win big if the both lose.
As you can see from above neither are unbeatable and I have been backing Cape Blanco for a while now.
If you look at their individual form neither have had to pass a proper Group 1 horse on equal terms. They will have to this time while watching out for each other.
Jamie knows exactly what his dangers are doing so I expect him to lead after a couple of furlongs then gradually quicken up from half way. Passing such a horse in full flight is not like passing lowly rated front runners. With Goldi she is usually racing against other finishers, Paco Boy etc, not so this time.
Thrilling race ahead and I can see them both losing.

So much hot air! The grounds now good to soft - will this hinder Canford?

I don't get the argument your trying to make brigust or anyone else for that matter that looks at the form in that way. You said In the meantime why not tell me which Gr1 horse either Goldikova or Canford Cliffs has beaten that has not been beaten further or is better than the Gr1 horses Cape Blanco has beaten? This is neither here nor there as they have in equal measure been racing against the same horses thus beating the same horses time and time again by varying distances from differing circumstances. There is not that many top class group 1 class horses in training! Also, horses have off days, they cannot speak English, so how can anyone tell whether a particular horse e.g has turned up at the race track to run in a race, has a headache for example? You can't. It is different if e.g there is heat found in a leg or something cos this shows up on the outside.

I think the betting has it spot on! And, if it is a toss of a coin, YES please, i'll take 5/4 and 13/8 about to even money chances thank you!!

I'm not arguing STS, I'm just putting forward an alternative and supporting it with facts. At the moment that is all I can do. If CB wins and I started stating facts after the race everyone will be calling me an after-timer.
I genuinely think this is not a 2 horse race, like most people. And like most people I am wrong  sometimes.
However CB has all of the necessary credentials to win. He definitely stays the trip, is definitely Group 1 material and definitely has form lines to beat both of the dangers.
Add to that the fact that he has an uncomplicated running style which, on a stiff track and a straight mile will improve his chances. Plus he knows exactly what his dangers will do.
Makes sense to me and I fully expect to be collecting tomorrow.
I have as much chance of being wrong about my 16 and 18/1 chance as you have with your 5/4 and 11/8 chance. THat has to be sense.

Comparisons
Canford Cliffs comes to this race with 5 group wins (4 Group 1 over 8f)

Paco Boy came to the 2009 race with just one group 1 win (over 7f)
Paco Boy tried to repeat his success 2010 when beaten by Goldikova with 3 group 1 wins – but the repeat win stat for QA was also against him.

Goldikova as a 4yo prior to her Grp1 win at Nmkt had 3 G1 wins (all 8f) to her c.v.
She now has 13 Group 1 wins (10 at 8f) in her c.v. Only two runs in UK and both wins on second run of year.

It would appear that Canford Cliffs is better at this stage of his career than both Paco Boy and Goldikova – at the age of four – based upon his 4 group 1 wins compared to both Paco Boy (one GP 1 win) and Goldikova (3 GP 1 wins).

Saying that there is no comparison available with the mare v horse at the ages.

It's case of sticking Canford Cliffs in a multiple or jackpot bet if you have to

I prefer to watch and see if any of the race stats uphold this year
either the poor Course win stats for this race (three) - or the 6yo upwards win stats (none in last 32 years)  - or Queen Anne repeat win stats (none since • Dean Swift – 1906, 1907 )

I not saying CB is not interesting in this race, he certainly is, but i like many don't expect him to have the pace to live up to CC or Goldi. However going back to it being interesting, yes it is, and yes i could also be wrong like many others, as he has only ever raced over 7f 10f and 12f but never 8f, although not 7f since his 2 yr old days (without looking i'm not sure educated guess lol) which is why i would be surprised he would have the pace.

However, he is almost certain (all being well and they all run to form) to finish 3rd, so if you have backed e,way brigust antepost your on with 3 places and good luck to you you have some nice prices. I can see it possibly finishing 2nd, but i would be surprised if he won.

No I'm win only STS but I have in the back of my mind to lay off in running at 3s so that I win on any winner. UNfortunately my gambling instinct wants me to leave it run. I will wait until nearer the time then decide.
Fitri Hay was on Get On and said he has bags of speed and their plan is to break the big two. My sentiments entirely.

brigust with all due respect you seem to be plucking at straws and your reasoning as to why CB will beat them is ridiculous. neither is unbeatable and esp now that the rain has come but on even your selection wants good ground and would have a small chance of turning over the 2 favs. his price now is silly but if u are on at bigger then fair enough.

brigust1 Joined: 07 Dec 01
Replies: 1938 13 Jun 11 09:42    For any thinking punter this is a LAY for both the favourites. You lose eff all if one wins but win big if the both lose.
As you can see from above neither are unbeatable and I have been backing Cape Blanco for a while now.
If you look at their individual form neither have had to pass a proper Group 1 horse on equal terms. They will have to this time while watching out for each other.
Jamie knows exactly what his dangers are doing so I expect him to lead after a couple of furlongs then gradually quicken up from half way. Passing such a horse in full flight is not like passing lowly rated front runners. With Goldi she is usually racing against other finishers, Paco Boy etc, not so this time.
Thrilling race ahead and I can see them both losing.




this is not opinion, u are SAYING fav backers are not thinking punters? u seem to have tunnel vision when it comes to your selection. goldikova has won more gp1s than the entire field together and yet u crab her form, even if she gets beat, your argument is ridiculous with all due respect.


provided there hasnt been much rain i believe she will be hard to beat. cityscape is prob the biggest outsider with a chance now that the ground is getting soft.


gl

Why does everyone think insulting others opinions is the way to go.

Anyone who backs Goldi is gambling against at least Canford Cliffs.
Anyone who backs CC is gambling against Goldi.
No-one knows who will win or be better of the two. Unless I'm missing soething.
If you back or lay both you will win or lose not a lot.
The angle I am coming from I have backed up with my theories previously, I don't know what will happen but, and it is a big but, if I am right I will win a lot or lose a little. I would rather be where I am than anywhere else.
That's all.

Let the games begin.