Hare should have been Stopped END OF , fortunate that there was no Collision . 

Were any the dogs who fell injured ??

think the igb have shot themselves in the foot the way things are at the moment.wonder why the only video not up on igb site is the one in question,are they embarrassed by their own decision?

Watched again absolutely scandalous to let that result stand , What PF says void the race for betting purposes put the 3 through ,anyone who has played around the 4 dog has been robbed .

Why was there no Hands at the 1st bend ?

sparrow and pf great debating on an open forum can see both points very well addressed the pair of you

just watched that there for the first time,simply unbelievable that stood

Lads, I posted last night what the rules are and how a race can be declared a "No Race" , The greyhound turning back does not constitute outside interference and the Stewards can not declare the race a "No Race" on that basis . PF raised an important point in that people went onto the racetrack and tried to catch the greyhound from running down the wrong way or they tried to get the greyhound to turn around and race the correct way around the racetrack . The question the Stewards had to decide, was those people's actions  "outside interference". If the Stewards decide no , then the race stands , if they decided it was "outside interference" the race is declared a "No Race" , it is as simple as that . However where PF is incorrect if the race is a "No Race" the race is VOID , no ifs or buts , VOID . Therefore the three dogs which pasted the finishing line can not progress into the next round as the race is VOID, Consequently the race would have to be re run . Secondly, the hare driver did his job perfectly as per what the rules are , the hare driver was not entitled to stop the hare as per the rules . Thirdly , should the rules be now looked into and maybe changed , that is another issue altogether, the decision what had to be made on the night by the Stewards has to be based on the rules, not on what some people on this forum , think what should be the rules. One finally point to PF , yes you are correct in all the years you and I have gone greyhound racing I have never, from recollection, remembered the hare being stopped when a greyhound turned back in a race or more recently since they now only have a small inside rail  where a greyhound can now jump the rail and run across the inside of the racetrack, the reason being that the hare driver is not entitled to stop the hare as per what the rules as at present.

must be a contentious issue as it is not available to be viewed on the igb website

Wedge the race is on the Link I posted ...

the race can be seen all the normal places,just like to know why igb are trying to hide it

@casemoney , as per the rules the hare can not be stopped even when a greyhound turns back and races in the wrong direction on the racetrack. What caused trap 4 to ease up ? was it the people out on the racetrack or was it the greyhound which fell and raced down the racetrack in the wrong direction? As I said earlier the Stewards have to decide based on the rules as they are now. Also they have to make that decision on the rules and be confident that what decision they made would and could be defended in a Court of Law if challenged in a Court of Law.

@Mesi, The decision of the Stewards on the night has to be based. on the rules as they are, and that decision should be capable of standing up or at least be defended ,  if challenged in a Court of Law . Let's take an example , when a greyhound is knocked over and races back down the racetrack and he interfered with the oncoming leading greyhound and the leading greyhound slowed down and was passed by another greyhound which was in second place at the time of the interference , the second greyhound reaches and passes the finishing line in first place and the leading greyhound passes the finishing line is second place . but clearly the leading greyhound  would have won the race but for the greyhound turning back and interfered with him, that result must stand as per the rules as they are now. Imagine the same example and some people jump out onto the racetrack at the first bend to try to catch the greyhound which had being knocked over and which subsequently races down the racetrack in the wrong direction the people stand at the first bend or get off the racetrack and but they are NOT INVOLVED in the greyhound subsequently interfering with the leading greyhound , in my opinion as per the rules that result must stand and the race can not be declared a "NO RAcE".

The other example is the same scenario , but the people go onto the racetrack say at the 550 yards box , that is 50 yards before the finishing line. They see the knocked over greyhound racing down the home straight and try to catch the greyhound , but at this time the other greyhounds are following the hare and as these people are still on the racetrack one or more of the dogs got distracted , and even if only one greyhound got distracted ,   by even one of the people on the racetrack then that in my opinion would be "outside interference" and the Stewards must declare the race void and a "NO RACE"

so to answer your question , if the greyhound in Trap 4 get distracted by the greyhound racing down the racetrack and was only distracted by the greyhound racing down the racetrack , then the Stewards must let the result stand as per the rules .

However if the Trap 4 greyhound got distracted by one of the people out on the racetrack , that in my opinion would constitute "outside interference " and the race should be declared VOID and it would then be a "NO RACE" and a re run would have to take place to determine the three greyhound which would qualify in the re run to progress to the next round .

*or left as they are.

Has anyone been able to get a proper bet on the exchange market so fa. ? Ante post

...am I missing something? All this about outside interference. There are many more ways than that for a race to be declared null and void

Ie, course not being completed in a reasonable time

Welfare, welfare, welfare the bottom line!

That will be another blocking .....

I will put my two bobsworth in. From a greyhound point of view please be clear its 100% correct the 3 dogs are in nxt round without having to re run. They would have bin at a huge disadvantage having bin made to do so. THEMS THE RULES have bin for a very long time. If you dont like them dont bet on it. If u feel that strongly about it e mail write or telephone igb n let them know how u feel. It dont make it right wot append. In the current climate with the anti brigade growing ever stronger can u imagine the outcry if a dog had got hurt. Would av bin a case of getting the hard hats n flak jackets on. Hopefully the igb may revisit the rule book after the derby n c or even have  a vote amongst the trainers n c wot they think the way forward is. Imo we have no right or expectation on the people who run the sport over there as its always bin run under a different set of rules.

@ woodmanchester . thanks for reply , you see the Stewards of the meeting can only implement the rules as they are. Not what people think the rules should be. If someone writes on the forum saying this should have been void , they need to explain on what basis could the Stewards have declared the race VOID as per the rules as they are now . However if someone writes on the forum and says "I think the rule should be changed to allow …………… what there suggestion is , that is perfectly acceptable . and lets debate those suggestions, but please FORUM MEMBERS don't come on saying this should have happened and that should have happened , if the rules don't allow the Stewards to do it. One other point you said  , if "course not completed in a reasonable time" , what would you classify as a reasonable time . say for example the 525 yards distance ? in Ireland . What cut off time would you have in the new rules to allow the Stewards to void such a race ? Just think about your suggestion , a race is run and a dog fights at the first bend , the dogs slow down but don't stop completely , then the hare driver slows the hare and keeps the hare in an acceptable distances in front of the greyhounds , then the greyhounds take off at full speed and at the third bend the fighting dog , fights again and the field slow down , but are still running , they then take off at full speed and finish the race in 31.70 , which is one second  outside qualifying time . Should such a race be allowed to stand or be declared as a  VOID race ?

ah that is a cop out , you wrote in a previous message that a race can be declared null and void ie. course not being completed in a reasonable time. I gave you an example , and you replied "Dublin, racing manager's discretion" . Sadly the Stewards of the meeting cannot use their discretion, there decision must be based on the rules and the decision must be capable of being defended in a Court of Law if challenged .

Dublin, I was saying some races would be null and void in England

Re-race ran in reasonable time, who else but the racing manager could decide that?

Anyway, Killmacdonagh was already my second largest payout but gone in again at 15/2

It looks like the big 3 will take some holding and Killmacdonagh has already easily beaten Magical Bale and Lenson Bocko in this competition

Just hope she doesnt come in season!

Love to see Kilmacdonagh win it, I've not had a bet yet, but it would be a real "good news" story, we need badly.

of course wedge the sport is about punting first and foremost, appreciate that big time.