This Bugatti gamble is building up a head of steam now

Only a gamble coz Bug was the wrong price to start with. I had it about 9/4.

Remember English Derby though? JFK and Rioga got knocked out and i only needed Bug to finish in first 3 in a 5-dog race for very big win, ran like an oink, oink as sometimes it can. Got him 50/1 antepost though and would settle for him as champion

Woody you had Bugatti in @ 9/4 (takes out 30.77% of the market) yet are also happy to bet Puma @ 2/1 (33.33% of the market) so must have had him shorter, what prices did you have the others then??

So i'd guess you'd make the bottom around 8/1 to 100%

If Skywalker Puma is a 13/8 shot i'm the Pope, honestly can't believe anyone thinks he should be that short. He is clearly as fast as anything in the race but he can't be that short with Imp inside him.



Regards, Pope PF!!

Similar for me with having 70/1 Imp antepost, my biggest winner and Diva in tipping competition but cant see it, making them 12/1 apiece. You get conflicts at this stage. Just think track betting might be something like that, think they will come for Puma, but i too could be wrong. If Imp away, Puma behind him and Bug for late surge. Prices to 100% book would be pro-rata, if that's what they say?!

Camas could "take off" unannounced but not shown enough, imo, to warrant the highest consideration. Dont like to see dogs scraping through, then crowned King, or Queen in Diva's case

The clued up will be taking him on, just like last week in my opinion. The Shelbourne bookmakers will take him on too just like last week in my opinion.

taken from cor*ls site, u have to laugh

Ante-Post, 23rd Sept, 550yrds, Shelbourne Park.
Coral are TOP PRICE 10/1 on Sparta Maestro taking the spoils. Last year's winner, Razadazl George is 33/1 to repeat this success. Bet now for value!

Puma is the worst drawn dog of the night, hope he misses it a fraction and avoids Imp and manages to get into the 3 at the line! Would nt touch him at any price

This is like Frankel, everyone against me and we know what happened there! At least, 365 would be eggy faced too this time going 13/8 also.

The way i see it, put Sugar Ray in the race, put Camas nearly 9 lengths behind and Puma 4 lengths in front of that, use that as your yardstick to distances and placings of the rest. Any dog can miss, any dog can get a flier, just have to see if Imp does knock him at start. Even if that happens, no better dog than Puma to shake off a nudge

All the fairy tales of ireland.

Have to say that Sugar Ray is an absolute shocking price - 5/2 best price to win an Irish Derby judged on one run and while he's drawn trap 1 again, I think he's the worst value I've seen all year. Still think Droopys Jet has his name on the trophy as he's run two of his worst races ever and still managed to qualify for the semis. If he qualifies on Saturday and gets the red jacket in the final, it's all over.
Skywalker doesn't have the early pace required to win an Irish Derby, in my opinion.

Besides, didnt see the dog to the right of Imp have any problems in the quarter finals. You can all guess all you want, you must wait and see

Dog A beat Dog B x amount of lenghts
Dog B beat the rest of the field x amount of lengths
Therefore Dog A wins no matter what the draw is

Do you not realise how stupid that is and that everybody would be billionaires if it worked like that.



I can guess all i want, i think it's clear who is the total guesser and who puts in the work.

How about you watch the 1/4 finals again as you obviously didn't bother if you think the dogs drawn to the right of Coolykereen Imp didn't have any problems. Broadstrand Lad in 2 was a NR but Razldazl Bugatti and Confident Rankin in 3 and 4 both didn't get clears on the run up due to Imp moving off. Bugatti was even away and was crossed by Imp and hampered run up. Rankin got bumped by Imp moving off and then forced wide on the bend by Imp.

I said he is the worst drawn dog of the night in my and many others opinion. I said he was diabolical value at 2/1.

Of course he has a chance, every dog has a chance but i don't think his price represents his true chance from that draw.

heres my take on the 1st semi

imp out traps puma a length and moves middle leaving puma the whole of shelbourne to run into the 1st bend. bugatti leads up with puma 3 or 4 behind off the 2nd bend finding himself in a perfect position. puma then takes off and takes it up from bugatti halfway up the straight. bugatti fades and just holds on from a fast finishing dive for 2nd

every time imp been in two he's missed it !
did you factor that in !!!
where see Saturday there also two fast dogs on the out side too!
race on !!!

You could be right Hillcrest but wherever Puma is, Camas should be just a length or so up on him rounding the first two bends. If Fatty right and Imp misses from T2 and Bugatti makes one of his fluff starts, Puma could lead!

. Yeah, they would all have to come out on their noses at the start! . Seriously though, think Imp will break, slightly crowd Puma and moderate break Bugatti but will rush up to dispute lead. Bug and Imp no more to give and Puma come through.

PF cant get a bet on but if Puma 3/1 Cashmans, what price are they outright?

Cashmans 9/2 Puma OR