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Yes I remember him.If he hit the lids you could fancy him against anything he was a very good dog on the hare. Thank you for the information.
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whit,
do you remember a guy called Goody? used to watch the races at white city on the 3rd bend. a real character and good judge |
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I knew a few baddies but not a Goody.
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"inside scoop"......................I knew "Goody"......he lived in Greenford.
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Any one out there remember Jessie the police woman who used to parade the dogs when off duty ? I saw her outside Loftus Road for a Q.P.R game saturday afternoon saturday night off duty she paraded the dogs.
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what year was that rothman mike regarding the duke of edinburghs dog getting in through a disqualification and winning?
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Westmead Myra the first ** pup in a Derby final? What about Shady Parachute?
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Santa Concerto. I think Camira Flash was 1968.
Inside Scoop. I saw Flip Your Top lead and beat Mutts Silver in an open at White City.It might have been a Derby heat because a dog mentined earlier by Casemoney,Ger McKennas Shamrock Point was in the race. Hit For Brains.Was Shady Parachute a pup? But you might be right. |
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The trials for the Derby was always a great morning.Aalways an electric atmosphere of anticipation.The varios newspaper tipsters and the judges with thier stop watches clocking them to the first and third bend.The bookmakers gathering information and forming opinions,in them days you had 29 seconds orl less no videos then.Billy Mahon the south london bookie made a big ante post book.Chocolates,who bet at Park Royal and was with Obie Dyer at Harringay used to bet on the trials and nearly always drew.Graet dog man.There was a bigger crowd at the derby trials than when Iwent to Walthamstowon a Bank Holiday last year to say goodbye to the place.
One year at the derby trialsthe clock men couldnt believe the time a Welsh dog doneto the first bend it run right off it went into it so fast.It was called Coed Canoe somethingand had won a derby plate at Bristol.What a dog up the straights that would have been.Any one ever take dogs up the straights?I took my dog Lucky up Edgeware one sunday morning,he was a good two bender,in afour dog race I had an even fiftythought money for old rope.Hegot beat a length by Pakistani mans dog.They alwys had good dogs up the straights. |
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Whitmarsh. you seem to have a good recall of the great White City days, I remember backing a few winners there in opens, I wonder if you remember any of these, Stayers = Greenville Fauna.. Movealong Margo.. Hiver Whitenose etc, Hurdlers.. Derry Palm.. Tonys Twister.. Tonys Friend.. Ballintore Tiger.. Halfpenny King.. not forgetting the great Sherrys Prince.. what great days.
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Whitmarsh you are certainly rekindling some memories here, I have recently acquired 2 old Greyhound Express newspapers one dated 20th feb 1968 which was a tuesday, the other dated 20th january 1968 which was a saturday, they both contain all the old tracks cards and results and write ups, makes for some great reading.
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16.05 22 jan
mr memory goody -used to get the central line train tgrom greenford with him. think it was the 2 minutes past 7 !! |
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Millwall,my post to cashless on 20 jan mentions Sherrys Prince and Derry Palm
Derry Palm done me a few favours I might tell you.Another good hurdler of the time was Pier Hero a blue and white dog trained at Harringay who held the clock atWhite City in the early seventies.He was still winning opens at five Millwall,he was owned by Danny Mack who had a betting shop in Bermondsey by the Catholic church and another by Kidbrooke station |
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Ive gotta say this is one of the best threads ever on this forum and should be compilled in to a book.I will be first to buy it. mr memory and whitmarsh your storys are great.
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"sous"...............Never mind the stories..........they were great times.
I played cricket at Laleham a few times against a chap called Percy Brown...................the bookmakers at White City made a presentation to the Racing Manager when he put 2000 graded races on the card without an odds on chance..........Major Percy Brown. |
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"sous".........................consecutive races.
"inside scoop".....................I used to get on at Perivale. |
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whitmarsh i never went till 75 so never seen the 74 consolation
but I can assure u lively band was slung out of the 75 derby after coming 3rd in the semi ,He attacked Shamrock point Ger Mckennas Dog, who came 4th, leaving a 5 dog final alot of me people including my self thought shamrock should been given the place in the final. for those who have not seen this site http://www.greyhoundderby.com/history_of_the_derby.htm http://www.greyhoundderby.com/1975-greyhound_derby.htm |
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love this thread.
please allow me a few more experiences. late 70's , i was about 17.used to go to the cheap side to begin with ,then they'd open the gates to the posh side for the last 2. i was about £25 down with 2 to go but spun up a £2 double to unbelievably win on the night. decided to teach myself a lesson so walked home to greenford, along the A40 about 7-8 miles. it was a baking hot night and i was knackered by the time i got to hanger lane but plugged on in true Dorando style. amazingly,i came back on the bridle by the time i got to hoover factory in Perivale and walked past my house on to the Oldfield Tavern for the evening disco. didnt pull sadly! i've loved stayers ever since! |
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:^0 pmsl Id walk 50 miles to and from it ,if it were still there :-(
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Casemoney.Amate of mine has told me Jimsun was 74 Tartan Khan 75 and Mutts Silver 76.Not mutts Silver derby after Jimsun like I said. You would be right.
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if u have a look at the link i posted whit u can see all the derbys some even have the programme :-)
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"inside scoop".................................I lived just behind the Oldfield at that time. I used to walk to Wembley sometimes during my keep fit campaign...........it failed.
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The GRA were the leading promoters after the War. Their tracks were Powderhall, Belle Vue, Manchester (White City), Hall Green, Stamford Bridge, New Cross, Harringay & White City.
Their track strength was maintained by breeding their own dogs & either leasing them out or selling them to new owners. Each year of whelping was denoted by a pair of letters ie. I go back to 1948 when the letters were WW........"Wild Wolf", "Westmoreland Wilfred" etc. 1949.....MG........"Mobile Gwen", "Mobile Gendarme", "Mountain Greek" 1950.....WM......."Willies Mazurka". "Wimpole Mark", "Wimpole Maple" 1951.....GC........"Grimsby Captain", Grimsby Casterway", "Grimsby Coast", "Generous Captor", "Gulmarg Chinchilla" 1952.....RC........"Rocs Courtier", "Racing Countess" 1953.....PL........."Prince Laurence"........began running at New Cross & I believe that it may have ended up winning the Grand National. All a bit boring, but it brought back many associated memories to me. |
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mr memory - Their track strength was maintained by breeding their own dogs & either leasing them out or selling them to new owners.
Each year of whelping was denoted by a pair of letters ie. I go back to 1948 when the letters were WW........" -------------- that is an amazing story. how did they come to choose the letters - was there any reason, or was it just random? somebody really should write a history of this sport, before details like the above are lost forever. |
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Casemoney.
Lively Band was sent to stud in Australia.Years later he was sent back to the Cork man Jack Murphy who bred him and trained him before being sent toTommy Johnston but the dog was found dead in the crate when the plane touched down at Heathrow.Regarding Shamrock Point.He should have been in the final but following the Camira Flash business they changed the rules!! |
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hitforbrains 23 Jan 09:25
Westmead Myra the first ** pup in a Derby final? What about Shady Parachute? both of them were 23 months old when running in the final does anyone remember a bookie called steve griffin? |
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Steve Griffin made a book in the cheap ring at White City.When it closed he went to Harringay,helived in Brighton and Iwas told he had betting shops and a nightclub in Brighton.He would lay a substatial wager.
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Whitmarsh. You asked about getting this thread back up so here it is.
One way of printing these out is to use the full page forum link rather than the pop up and print from there using the icon at the top of your page. |
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Sparrow,Very kind of you,thank you so much
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Whitmarsh. You are welcome
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whitmarsh stevie certainly did have shops in the brighton area one in portslade in particular was a cess pit opposite the battle of trafalga mental on a friday he also traded as kismet happy days
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Wedge,I seem to recall Steve Griffin either having shops or an SP in the name of Kismet or was that the name of the night club he owned?Did you know Kismet was a film that was out in the twenties.
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Thank you also Sparrow, I missed this originally; must have been away. Saw lots of those dogs there, and the eel stall on the chep side with the pie, mash and eel liquor! A delicacy and location much missed!
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Camira Flash failed a dope test but was ALLOWED to run in the final
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Camira Flash failed a dope test but was ALLOWED to run in the final
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ah whilte city TWTD
I saw a yank called Paul Pennell break the World Pole Vault Record there in the late sixties. In the seventies I saw Patricias Hope win her second greyhound derby there, Trap 5 9-2. Sweated in the TOTE queue... no change there then, TWTD |
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I was privilaged enough to have been at White City to see Haymaker Mack smash the clock in the Derby consolation final, the best run ever from any dog that I have ever witnessed and I have seen all the greatest dogs run in the last 30 years or so.
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Balliniska Band winning the '77 Derby was memorable for me. I was on early at 16s.
Watch it again here on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKnvfM7kc-U |
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is this it?
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Mr Memory and Whitmarsh
this has been great reading your memories....I have to ask you one brain teaser...at both White City and Wembley there were two putter onners who worked in the restaurant,one shorter and looked not unlike Harry Carpenter,the other larger with glasses...both real gents,would pop onto Ebbys table,much to Vernons chagrin(the restaurant manager) To my shame their names have completely erased from my grey matter Another bookie in the cheap ring I recall was Wag Shaw,nice quiet guy. Last little story,there was an odious Irishman on the cheap side who hated bookies....Pay the punter...Pay the punter...Pay the punter...on and on...one night,Noel Furlong who now works for Ladbrokes on course nicked his hat.....it was the best race of the night...now Noel was a brilliant footballer and Gaelic and super fit....1/10.......every time Pay the Punter caught Noel he would nip away...the crowd went mad,he was up and down the stairs and escalator.....Im sure the race went by and everyone was more into this duel...I wont say what Noel did to the hat but I wouldnt have put it on.....he did though.....Noel got plenty of respect after that...and a bit of credit....I have a picture somewhere at the end of night where Noel showered under a leaking gutter outside as an encore....god know what his mum must have thought! |