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i know the**has got its probs . and i sympathise with all concerned with their present plight . however things are worse at yarmouth i can assure you all . the three books at y'mouth are reasonably strong . and 1 of them only took £603 all night tonight . sadly the game notionwide is on its knees .sombody pls remember to switch the lights off when its all over
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i couldnt get nowt matched tonight on the exchnages either only won £200 games finnished !!
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there in lies lies the root of the problem . because of betfairs undoubted success / dominance . punters stop going racing and bet on here the tracks lose income , its a viscious circle until the tracks are no longer viable a pal of mine who stood at the stow for over 20yrs told me until it became common knowledge it was to close it had been going downhill fast for 3 or 4 yrs and that was our flagship track !
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well use betfair yourself then. the bookmakers have access to the same tools as the punters.
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think the piont he is making is
what is the point of bookies standing up if they are taking no money. |
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they would rather there be plenty to take and lay some off , if they dont have the turnover they cant pay the x s
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to above replies none of the y'mouth bookies use betfair and would definitely not be allowed to use it as anyone in or in view of the betting ring is not allowed a mobile phone let alone any other device desperate desperate times
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We're doomed. Betfair has become a monster. I'm glad i'm coming towards the end of my on course bookmaking career, as opposed to beginning one.
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Same problem with Romford on a Monday night. First race is 6.30 ish. So people look at the card, would usually turn up for a 7.30 start and can't be bothered as they will have missed first 4 races.
Can't blame the stadium for taking the £7k (or whatever) of silver as if it was not a BEGS meeting and started at the usual 7.30 , would probably only add another hundred or so to the gate. Bottom line is that 6.30 simply too early to begin a night out if you have been at work. |
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will only be a matter of time until all bookmakers are paid to make a market
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not sure what the answer is overboard . but bookmakers can't seriously be expected to go and stand up all night just taking a few coppers . pay the clerk pay their petrol and on top of that be expected to absorb the occasional plot just unworkable and i think this is true of most tracks unfortunately
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The books I speak to about this acknowledge that it is all part of the general contract they have. ie in return for taking bundles on Friday and Saturday nights , they have to swallow the Thursday Bags and Monday Begs.
All appreciate that the Bags/Begs money keeps the track going. |
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I would like to know which tracks take bundles on Friday and Saturdays
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overboard . sadly we don't take anymore on sat nights/non bags nights , the punters we had simply have either died yes literaly dead or have drifted away and have not been replaced can honestly say the handful of punters left are are all 50+ and we havn't gained a new regular for 5or 6 yrs
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Flash, that is the same in any betting establishment be in shops, and same could be said of horses except when there is a themed day..... the only saviour at the races surely is the bit of corporate hospitality / the sponsorhip but you take that away and it wouldent be far behind
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I think that part of the problem is that there is less physical cash around. Everyone gets paid into their bank account. HMRC like it this way. If you pull a wadge of cash out nowdays everyone looks at you as if you are a gangster.
So you are going to the dogs. You go to the cashpoint. How much? £200?? That's one proper bet, perhaps two. If anyone could design a piece of kit which would allow punters to swipe their card as they have their bet this would save the game. It won't happen because there simply isn't the time as most bets are struck in the last 30 seconds before the traps open. And yet people happily max out their credit cards palying online poker which is probably the biggest mugs game out there. They all believe it is an easy way to riches but from what I have noticed it is the same few people winning for much of the time and hoovering up all the wannabes cash. Which is why there are *****in casinos. The trick is to get people to believe that it's not real money. Unfortunately, on course, this is not an option. |
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Overboard - Very True the machines rule these days in every sense of the word
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one valuable point i must add to this thread is people/punters just don't realise that the only winners on betfair longterm are betfair FACT money goes round and round and betfair keep gobbling their percentage FACT
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FACT
I KNOW PEOPLE WHO MAKE BETFAIR PAY although the majority do their money. as i have said many times when i was going to the dogs there was plenty of youngsters going, there are no youngsters going now there is no new blood cominmg into the game, the youngsters have much more tpo with their spare time, ie, computers, computers games, and so on. in my day playing football in the streeets and hanging about outside betting shops |
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Correct Flash, they should be worried at that state of affairs, some of the racing markets very weak and getting weaker as people reliase that they dont stand a chance against those with more privigied info, the mugs are running out
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flash bookie 03 Nov 14:17
one valuable point i must add to this thread is people/punters just don't realise that the only winners on betfair longterm are betfair FACT absolutely ridiculous comment. |
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checkboxes suck , with respect in my opinion tere may be a very small %age that win on the machine and beat the commision longterm however they must be well imformed extremely disciplined and make few mistakes i have made a book for over 20 yrs and my maths are pretty good and would be mighty tough to win laying into an overbroke market longterm and the same as above applies if u are a backer however i admit that is only my opinion
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WELL AT LEAST YA SAVING A FKKIN FORTUNE ON TEAS CAUSE YOUVE NEVER BEEN GUILTY OF BUYING ONE .....AND THAT APPLIES TO YOU AND THE DEAD-HEAT
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cashy we are thinking of sending a minibus to coventry to borrow some punters they tell me the ring is still awash with nelsons there
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HAVENT WON FOR 6 MONTHS AND WHEN I DO, I GET FKD OUT OF IT
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seriously pat it is totaly impossible at the moment if u saw our ledger at the mo u wud wet yourself
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ITS BEEN SAID ALREADY ...I TOLD YA 6 MONTHS AGO THERE GETTING FORTUNES OUT OF YA ,YOU NEED PAYING
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All theese bookies keep turning up but why? Do they love loosing so much or the fact things are so hard
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unfortunately pat the books arnt united and until they are there isnt a cats chance of that but i totaly agree with you
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Starship I agree totally with your sentiments
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if he was hanging around ....outside .... betiing shops couldnt have lost much
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Flash
Get the on course bookmakers united Sure, Bill(starship) will be independent chairman! |
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the weasel on half wages tonight ?
what happeneded to Ed ? |
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On the Yarmouth news (greyhoundscene) it says "Ed the duck" left half way thru the meeting? Whats that all about?
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ed didnt take a bet on the first 2 races last night and when in the 3rd a punter came and asked him for a ton on the jolly he had a funny turn. he managed to stick it out for a few more races but after the weasel turned up with burger and *****twice (yes its true weasel put his hand in his pocket - and pulled out 2 penny meal deal vouchers) ed had a relapse and went home!!!!
seriously though ed has a fair point, i have been going to the dogs for the last 20 odd years and never has it been so bad for on course bookmakers - no punters means no turnover, and when punters do latch on to one the books dont want to stand it for too much . therefore punters get jarred off and so a vicious circle starts. |
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Not all bad news here Ed- it looks from the Weasel's posting that he's on the point of retiring so you could recruit someone on far less lucrative wages !!!!!1
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The**got slated last week for there percentages,last night at yarmouth six races over 150% and a bookmaker walking out,are they going to lose there BAGS,also when**was on BAGS i have seen dogs laid to lose £2000 ,seems to me they should be getting it back.
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neblin - eleven out of fourteen races at yarmouth last night were on BEGS - which were the races with a 150% plus book ? Also, did the bookie walk out or did he feel unwell and sought permission to leave early ?
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Ed said, he was sick.....
.....Sick of the place !!! |
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Races 2 /12/13/14 do not look to healthy for a start race 14 is 167%.
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