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"A wedge from 155 yards"
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Interesting that you mention climate:
When we go to different climates, TrackMan™ is very effective. For example, here in Scotland the air is a bit thicker than elsewhere so TrackMan™ comes in very handy to make adjustments. Many of our players will have to hit 1-2 irons more than usual on several shots here at Loch Lomond. Without TrackMan™, they wouldn’t be able to get the info to make these adjustments effectively. The technology of Track-Man™ really allows us to pinpoint what each club is doing”, says Gary Martin, Leadership Fitting Technician at Titleist. |
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tour pros base there distance on 26celcius
lfc how are the deozen players better than tiger |
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*who are the dozen pros better than tiger
** their distance |
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Where did you get that 26 celcius figure from? Is that a Trackman recommendation? I can find no mention of that on the internet. Would be grateful if you could give a link, if you have one - I'm dead interested in technical data like this.
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Kind of pointless even bothering to write this, as many just think I'm talking nonsense, but I shall continue anyway. Today i played at Heythrop Park, off the White tees, in a match. My partner (plays off 8) and I won 7&6 having gone out in (roughly) +1, and then just consolidating on the back few. I hit my "average" two bigger than normal drives today: the first of which came on the par four 16th which measured exactly 331 yards. It plays slightly down hill, to be fair, but the wind (approx 10mph) was from left to right and not helping. I hit the drive with a very slight cut and it carried to within 5 yards of the green. My second bigger drive came on 18 which is a 554 yard par five. I hit the MEASURED drive 308 yards straight down the middle of a rather generous fairway, only to see it kick 90 degrees left into the semi-rough. When we got to the ball it became clear that the ball had landed on a sprinkler head. From the semi rough I then hit a 3-wood which leaked to the right and landed in the semi-rough 7 yards short of the green, which by my calculations makes that a 239 yard 3-wood from a rough lie.
I have no doubt whatsoever that many will pour scorn on what I'm saying, after all, it's their prerogative. However, I've absolutely no reason to sit here writing this short story other than because it's fact, nothing more, nothing less! I should also add that I hit to shocking drives that came down with snow on the ball and carried no more than 200 yards. That's my game at the moment. Inconsistency at its very worst! |
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Heyythrop!
I've played there twice very recently. Lovely course. I drove that 16th last week and 3 putted!   On Sundays after 3pm they do a very good deal. £20 and a free buggy. |
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I always enjoyed playing two shots
Take my best drive, hit two from there etc Interesting to see what you can score, compared to your 8 handicap, I know plenty of players like yourself ronsk, I was a shorter hitter, and happy to throttle back to hit it straighter Johnny miller was my hero, Still as long as the player enjoys what he does when he plays well , then , that keeps us coming back ! |
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Well done on the 16th, Mr Eboue. Shame about the three stab!
I managed my birdie, just! |
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The one hole i dont like there is that silly downhill par 5. However could you hit your drive you cant get on in two. Even if you hit a perfect lay up you still have a great big bloody tree to contend with!
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I used to play off 4 and have taken the game up again after 20 years. I am hacking round in the mid to high 80's playing with borrowed clubs, that have stiff shafts. I can barely hit my hat with them due to back problems (that caused me to give up originally). I haven't kept up with modern technology (never hit metal woods before), but I think I will need to change my clubs if I want to improve a little.
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Mr.Angry 18 Aug 13 22:14
Where did you get that 26 celcius figure from? Got the figure from a nike tour rep. Have heard it from others as well. I suspect there will be some variation depending on where you play. |
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I don't doubt that a good big hitting amateur could hit their best drive longer than lots of pros.
No offence intended ronsk. Maybe there is a bit of confusion over your average and longest drives. I just find it hard to believe that a good handicapper who by their own admission tries to hit long drives all the time can find an extra 40 yards on some shots.An extra 40 yards through the air is a lot. Roughly 1 in 5 shots going 315 through the air when most of their other shots are going 275 which is pretty impressive in itself. Lets say you were measuring the longest drives of pros who were hitting it as hard as they could. I doubt they could find an extra 40 yards in 1 in 5 of their shots. If someone says they can hit it 315 through the air ( 1 in 5 times ) the assumption is that they mean in completely neutral conditions with no wind and on flat fairways. For a bit of fun I would happily lay you evens you cant. You could have as many shots as you wanted but the terms would be you have to hit 20% of drives 315 yards or more. |
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315 through the air is massive.
No one on the PGA Tour is doing that. In fact Luke List is the longest at an average of 306. Bare in mind that distance will include some run and is being hit at temperatures much higher than in the UK. |
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Mr Eboue 18 Aug 13 22:41
The one hole i dont like there is that silly downhill par 5. However could you hit your drive you cant get on in two. Even if you hit a perfect lay up you still have a great big bloody tree to contend with! --------------------------------- Sounds like the 11th. It's a very poorly designed hole, but there are a few at Heythrop. We walked the course as neither of us are fans of 'buggie golf' and it's a very tough walk. However, whilst walking, you do get a real feel for the way the layout has been thought through, and in my view, they could have done a much better job with the such a huge property. Front nine is way better than the back, in my view. |
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paddletoe Joined: 24 Jul 07
Replies: 4111 19 Aug 13 14:04 I don't doubt that a good big hitting amateur could hit their best drive longer than lots of pros. No offence intended ronsk. Maybe there is a bit of confusion over your average and longest drives. I just find it hard to believe that a good handicapper who by their own admission tries to hit long drives all the time can find an extra 40 yards on some shots.An extra 40 yards through the air is a lot. Roughly 1 in 5 shots going 315 through the air when most of their other shots are going 275 which is pretty impressive in itself. Lets say you were measuring the longest drives of pros who were hitting it as hard as they could. I doubt they could find an extra 40 yards in 1 in 5 of their shots. If someone says they can hit it 315 through the air ( 1 in 5 times ) the assumption is that they mean in completely neutral conditions with no wind and on flat fairways. For a bit of fun I would happily lay you evens you cant. You could have as many shots as you wanted but the terms would be you have to hit 20% of drives 315 yards or more. ------------------------------------------------ No idea where you're based, fella. If you want to play 18 with me sometime you're more than welcome! |
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Mighty Whites 2008 19 Aug 13 14:54
315 through the air is massive. No one on the PGA Tour is doing that. In fact Luke List is the longest at an average of 306. Bare in mind that distance will include some run and is being hit at temperatures much higher than in the UK. -------------------------------------- How many times??!! I'm not talking AVERAGES!!!! Do you really believe that PGA Tour pro's aren't hitting the ball 315 through the air with some of their drives??? |
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Bit of carry info to add to the debate.
http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02409.html |
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according to hans link around 30 pga pros have a longest carry of 315 or more.
It doesn't say how many of those are at altitude though. If you are carrying it 315 20% of the time - 2 or 3 times a round then that is impressive especially in England. What percentage of your 315 yard drives go straight? |
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interesting stat for those who were saying earlier that Tiger can't hit it as far as the other guys.
4th in average carry and 4th in longest carry. |
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First of all this figure of 20% is utter nonsense! I said that on average I hit one or two big drives per round. Taking yesterday's round as an example, I hit driver 13 times. I nailed two. By my calculations that is less than this phantom 20% figure.
A large percentage of my longer drives go very straight. When I drive the ball well I hit it straight. When I'm struggling I hit a cut and occasionally hit the double-cross hook. |
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I think the point is that roughly 50% of the PGA pros havn't hit a 300 yrd carry all season.
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Exactly what does that prove, please?
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I'll take the all season back.
And replace it with the 1000's of drives that have been measured. |
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2 from 13 is 15%. An outstanding feat on mild summers day. Put in context only 30 tour pros have managed the feat once or more this year including their trips to altitude destinations.
If you hit it long and straight then how you are off 8 is beyond me. You need to have a word with lfc. He believes long straight driving is the key to the game and anyone who can master it will be top of the world. |
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Doesn't prove anything.
Apart from 50% of the best golfers in the world would struggle to carry it 300yrds. |
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I hit it long and straight approximately 15% of the time. The clue is there for anyone with half a brain!
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not struggle hans, can't or at least haven't managed to in the last 8months.
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Lies, damn lies & statistics, Super Hans!
At first glimpse I see Jeff Overton, a renowned short hitter, with a carry yardage of 317 yards. It's all yawn inducing stuff, sadly! |
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ronsk if you are bombing it off the tee the lengths you state i find it hard to work out how you are of 8. Even your shorter drives are going to leave you with a wedge or high iron into most greens. Most par 5s are going to be in reach in two as well.
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Overton is one of the biggest hitters on tour
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It's a pointless debate unless you make the effort to see it for yourself, isn't it?
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Mighty Whites 2008 19 Aug 13 16:21
Overton is one of the biggest hitters on tour -------------------- What?? |
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Last three years... 58th, 68th & 55th in driving distance on Tour.
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just looking at his stats he has fallen down the driving distance charts last few years still hits it a decent distance but certainly no longer long.
The driving distance stat can be misleading as it is measured on a particular hole and some may sometimes hit woods, hybrids or irons. This certainly affects Tiger |
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top 26 06 -08. 18th 2010.
He is hitting an average ten yards less now than 5 years ago which suggests more 3 woods and less drivers |
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The guys on Tour are hitting the ball huge distances these days. I would suggest the "biggest hitters" (your words) are in the top 10 or 15 in the rankings. Just my opinion!
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I thought the distance stat was measured on two holes. One into the wind and one downwind.
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the distance they are hitting it is clear to see including carry.
There are around 30 pros who have hit a 315 yard carry including at altitude where it can go 10% further. I though Overton was longer than the stats suggest he is. That said he has had seasons where he has hit it around 300 yards on average which i class as a big hit. |
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It's not a witch hunt Ronsk.
Just throwing a few stats in to add to an interesting debate. You may be one of the longest hitting amateurs in the country. But being a punter, i'm sure you would also treat the claim with a healthy scepticism. |
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yes think it might be two. There is no guarantee a driver is used though.
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