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"A wedge from 155 yards"
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Great thread
13 hcap hitting a 1 iron 220 off the deck  |
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That's really not a massive surprise. I play with a guy off 13 who hits driver off the deck brilliantly. I struggle to get the ball off the deck and out there more than 200 yards with driver.
There really must be some shocking golfers who frequent this forum judging by their great surprise at some of the claims. Each to their own. |
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it appears ronsk that if you were playing on the U.S. tour you would be no 1 in driving distance
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It would appear you cannot read, but just for the less adequate amongst us, here are some KEY words in UPPER CASE for the less advantaged...
MAXIMUM CARRY... FLUSH IT ONCE OR TWICE PER ROUND. The point being the average carry of my drive is obviously not 315 yards. I suspect it's more likely to be around 265-275 yards. However, nobody in their right mind would use 'average yardage' numbers to play golf. You always HAVE to assume you'll flush it, no matter how unlikely that may be! Get it now??? |
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its ok ronsk, you dont have to convince me, keep on flushing
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Thick as feck!
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You always HAVE to assume you'll flush it, no matter how unlikely that may be! ah I see now why you are scoring so badly.
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However, nobody in their right mind would use 'average yardage' numbers to play golf. You always HAVE to assume you'll flush it, no matter how unlikely that may be!
As dave1357 says, there is part of your problem ronsk |
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You're both correct. I play the game expecting to hit far more good shots than I actually manage. With that approach comes rounds in the high eighties along with rounds in the low seventies. However, my handicap is heading in the right direction using this mindset.
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I think it is good to expect the good shot, nothing wrong with that imo, but I think you need to work with average hitting distances rather than your best.
I think you recommended a Bushnell rather than a GPS device the other day ( I might have the wrong person) I too would always use laser in preference to a GPS because you always know your exact distance to the flag, plus every time you hit a average shot I would measure the distance from the pitch mark to the flag and build up a useful set of carry distances as well as normal distances, the later probably being the more important. Not trying to preach mate, just the way I would do it. |
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I actually use a GPS as opposed to Rangefinder, but you have a very valid point. I do need to work more on my average yardage, as opposed to maximum carry. I've known it for a while, but whilst my h'cap has been coming down, I've been happy with continuing in my own blissful ignorance!
Never crossed my mind that you were preaching, fella. Good to chat with someone who has a clue what they're talking about. |
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I can see the 2014 Betfair Golf Forum Long Drive Challenge beginning to take shape! I have recently started playing again after a 20 year sabbatical. Due to an arthritic complaint I struggle to hit my irons very far at all, as I have a very abbreviated backswing and follow through. But I can hit the metal woods much further than the woods I used when I played off 4 30 years ago.
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I have been a steady "category 1" golfer for over 30 years, and reach none of some of the yardages boasted on here.
Being comfortable over every shot struck is paramount. |
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http://www.mygolfspy.com/mygolfspy-labs-your-distance-reality-check/
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Interesting article but I'm not sure how useful it is to know your actual average distance. Say for example my 7-iron, which I hit about 165 yards when I make good contact. Obviously if I account for the times I hit it fat, or slice it a bit, that's going to bring the average down. But if I start using my 7 iron when I have, say, 155 to the pin, how often is it going to go that distance? When I flush one it's going to go through the green while the fat ones will still probably end up short.
What you need as an average is a mode rather than a mean. For those who can remember back to their GCSE maths, that means the most common result which is surely when you make good contact. The mi**** will go all sorts of different distances. I agree with what Ronsk said earlier that you've got to choose your club assuming you are not going to duff it. |
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The naughty word was mi**** btw.
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Hmm it won't even allow it with a hyphen! I'll try numbers. M15h1ts.
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I could never commit to a shot unless I was fully focused and expected to flush it. It's purely a state-of-mind that I would never be able to get my head around. However, I certainly see how having a good understanding of how far your average 'less than good shot' is likely to go could be an advantage. Having that type of understanding must prove invaluable at certain times during a round. I will certainly do some work on this in the near future.
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I have found that most golfers hit shots on 100% power, that can be one cause for big difference in yardages with the same club, on something like 85% power you must find the middle of the club more often, try taking 10 yards off your distances and hit to that yardage.
What you will probably find is that you don't really lose much yardage at all due to getting better contacts. I must be one of the shortest hitters there can be by my yardages, but could always get an extra 10yards per club if needed, but think I would get the same problems with consistency if I played to my maximum all the time. |
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A Wedge from 150 Whatever..... Yawn
Now for something to consider. Those impressed by longer than average yardages..dinosaurs The golfer that's better than everyone else from 50 yards and In; will get the money almost everytime..Fact. Players locker room conversations are a simple,how many ??..Fact. Not how many strokes but how many,Putts, always has been always will be. Think what you may but 1.01 has shown endless clubbies head to a practice range, all warm up with a wedge, within 6 minutes most of'em are already hitting the big dog...no brainer, no hope. But That's the nature/downfall/lure/bait, what would most rather do on a range? 2 hours pumping Big Dogs into oblivion. or 2 hours putting Balata's into the Bald Beaver from 2 foot ? Hc'p Reduction Tips. Take 4 of your countless Drivers and any Plumb Bob longer than standard Putter. Proceed to your Garden, firmly plant them in a row at least 12 inches into the ground,add some tomato seeds and watch the vine thrive around shaft. 2nd Tip:Tell yourself, i can never do to much Short Game Practice. |
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Mine were not averages, that must be said.
They are what i can hit each club. I wouldn't have the first clue on what i average? Eight Ball is right to a point.....DRIVES FOR SHOW PUTTS FOR DOUGH |
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I think that the important thing scoring wise is the consequence of being short or long and clubbing accordingly.
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I would agree with most of what eight ball says, but not as strongly as I would have done 20 or 30 years ago, the drivers and balls nowadays are so much easier to hit straight and long that the short game expert has a lot more to make up than he did before.
In our team matches (foursomes) I play with a guy who can carry the ball over 300 yards quite regularly , myself without the hard summer fairways 230yrds would be about my normal distance, the combination is not as weird as it sounds as I get 3 par 3's and I drive at 3 par 4's where distance is not too important, he gets 2 par 3's which means I play his drive 7 times, and I am playing 75 to 100 yards closer to the green than I normally would be. My point being that from say 75 yards out compared to 175 it is almost impossible to drop a shot. If I was able to choose between a red hot short game or an extra 75 yards from the tee, I would take the yardage nowadays. And of course in medal play you are playing against a lot of guys who all hit the ball miles, one of them is gonna have a hot day with the putter, and no reason why they can't practice their short game either  A tight course, long ruff, tree lined dog legs with deep well placed bunkers at 300yds (which are not gonna bother me) is sometimes a better leveller. |
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Putting is the least important part of golf. If you cannot drive the ball from the tee you will never play well,
or enjoy the game. Once you can hit a drive, say 230 yards, and find the fairway mostly, then you can turn your attention to everything else which will fall into place. |
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Surprisingly despite the common theory, a high handicapper will not improve by practicing his
short game rather than driver. |
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lfc1971 Joined: 06 Nov 11
Replies: 2429 16 Aug 13 12:42 Putting is the least important part of golf.  Putting is the most important part of the game! Half your strokes are made on the green. Most people who have played for a year or two can strike a ball semi decently. What seperates an average player from a good one is putting and chipping. What seperates a journeyman pro to a successful one is a few putts here and there. |
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I sort of agree with lfc if he's talking about high handicappers. There's no use being deadly with the putter if it takes you about 7 strokes to reach the green. Also in terms of enjoyment I think your average player just wants to be able to step up and hit a good shot most of the time without embarrassing himself. The humiliation of duffing one off the tee in front of other people far exceeds the frustration of missing a putt.
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In fairness if it takes you 7 to get to the green on a regular basis you can't play the game.
Higher handicappers (hackers) have problems with all aspects of their game. Once you get down to a standard of single figures and downwards then the key aspect is putting. The biggest difference between a guy of 3 and a guy of 6 will often be putting especially in the 5 to 10ft range. The low category one golfers make significantly more putts in this range than the single figure guy. The constant theme in good rounds is usually good putting. |
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Just because half the strokes are made on the green does not mean it is half the game.
On a good day golfers will be lucky to make more than 1 or 2 good putts and maybe 3 or even 4 putt once or twice. This adds up but will not ruin a round. If however you can not drive the ball reasonably...and 90% of golfers can`t, the complete round is a struggle. Don`t waste time practising putting if you can`t get away from the tee. |
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Get yourself a good solid repeatable swing.
Get yourself a good solid repeatable putting stroke. Now go to a PGA course. Now you're 36 over par. Without distance you can never challenge at the top. Sure, you can play your local course well, maybe get to scratch. But that's the limit. That's why most seniors cannot compete on the tour. They have a great short game. But they lose the flexibility and the power. |
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I agree with Mighty Whites.
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mighty whites spot on .putting for dough.being able to get up and down the most important in golf.a good chipper and putter will beat a good driver more often than not as long as there at least average dist of the tee
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Hmmm.. Maybe it's a case of terminology.
Would you rather be good at driving and very good and putting. Or very very good at driving, good at short game, and very good at putting. Or okay at driving, very very good at short, ample at putting. Or very good at driving, very good at short, very good at putting. I cannot make up my mind. |
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I am not a very good golfer but I find it hard to believe that when most of your drives carry 275 ( which is not too shabby in itself ) that you can find an extra 40 yards of carry when you hit your sunday best now and again. That's a lot of juice to find. I expect there is simply a distance which any golfer can not go further than with his driver so finding an extra 40 yards through the air when your hitting in long already is hard to believe.
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Happily give the poster even money that he cant carry it 315 on a windless day on flat hole. He can tee it up five times.
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i'll give even money that ronski beat can't even walk 18 holes
he's a big guy but he's out of shape |
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for 278k?
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yep,and he can have double or quits on an arm wrestle
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For lfc1971
Entitle to opinion is what a forum is all about But factless cr@p equates to wasted space Continue working on your driver mate but this isn't about Clubbies, low markers or scrubbers. This is what actually Has happened, will continue to happen ON TOURS planet wide. We all know some Ball beater who can send it to Orbit But lfc1971 Go share a girl with Tiggger or divy up a big Steak with Jack and ask them what they would rather, in fact grab all the past Major Tom winners and speak with them and none, repeat none have ever shared your theory. Since 1920 Tourny players Still average 75% GIR Scoring averages have also dropped Driving distances also Increased. SPG Decreased ! |