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WoW! somebody just took £200 @ 1000s on stallings in one lump. Somebody likes him
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Eddie, I love it! Any particular reason or just just think its value?
I am £55k green on him |
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and is that your 200 quid at 800s?
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eric, yes and yes..
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Eric I disagree with you that driving is not that important at the Masters. Yes putting is probably more important but in order to get to the correct positions on the green you need to be getting on the right positions on the fairways. In the last 7 years since Tiger last won the event holes have been lengthened greatly and mature pines have been planted to make recovery from errant drives more difficult. When tiger is driving badly the shot he is trying to avoid most is the big hook which often results in him blocking or bailing out right. The changes at Augusta have made recovery from these shots more difficult than previously. For example the 11th par 4 has been extended to 505 yrds grass surrounding the pine trees that were added to in 2004 has been removed and replaced with pine needles and additional dogwood trees have been added on the left. My point is I believe the Masters has become harder for Tiger to win due to changes made to the course especially if he is continually getting into trouble of the tee like we have seen in years since 2005. Admittedly putting has let him down like in 2006 but generally that part of his game is very strong and noone has made more clutch puts over the years. If Tiger is standing up on the tee at Augusta with driver in hand and is sure that he is going to make the fairway I think it will make a massive difference to his game. Remember Hoylake where he played 2 iron of the tee for most of the 4 rounds? He was no1 in driving accuracy hitting 86% of fairways and was able to make birdie on the last 3 holes on Sunday because he was playing from the fairway.
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You want value ? 11 to 1 for Phil Mickleson to finish in top 20 being offered until they notice and someone gets the boot ay Spoilsports
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Still up there Ireland, but they will enevitably void them as a trading error unfortunately.
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Good thread and a good read for us novices
Schwartzel to go very close again for me. |
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Bets cancelled by Boyles!!
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And the other point you make that this years Masters field is the strongest ever is very debatable. I think the field at every Masters is particularly strong. Maybe the field seemed weaker in the past because Woods was some dominant. Where the fields that included Els, Goosen, Mickelson, Singh, Garcia in the mid 2000s when those players were at their best weaker that this weeks field. Or were they perceived to be weaker because woods was so dominant. Just because one player dominated doesnt mean that the rest of the field was weak.
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I would put the first 4 players in the list above during the early-mid 2000s (Els, Goosen, Mickelson, Singh) way ahead of the top 20 in the betting currently bar obviously Woods and McIlroy.
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King K.J +5565
Haas+3880 Snedeker+3118 |
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Donald, Westwood, Scott, Day, Scwartzel would all disagree?
Donald has the best short game maybe in the games history? Compare his short game to 3 of those 4 you mentioned. The other thing about this year are all the big boys seem to have peaked for this major, how many times had they all won prior to a masters? |
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Well for what it's worth my team this week is
P.Mickelson @14.5 A.Scott @42 my numero uno for this week. N.Watney @70 M.Laird @230 possibley my best outsider. J.Wagner @230 F.Couples @280 the man loves augusta. V.Singh @400 seemed a good idea! E.Molinari @400 big price for a guy who came 11th last year. could all blow out but it's going to be a fun four days. good luck to you all. |
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Eric to say that Luke Donald has perhaps the greatest short game ever in the games history maybe a slight exaggeration. Retief goosen made 26 puts in the final round at Shinnecock Hills he 1 putted 11 greens on a course regarded as the toughest ever in major history. Thats great putting. When has Lukje ever done something like that. As far as I'm concerned none of the 5 that you mentioned above can be compared to Els, Singh, Mickelson and Goosen at their best. Greatness in golf is measured in majors won and these guys are multi major winners. Your guys have won 1 between them. I know its early in their careers for some of them but at the minute thats how I see it.
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IN a field of all most 100 of the top golfers in the world is the price of Tiger just over 5/1 over-hyped just becaused he won for the 1st time recently?
 ... For MYSELF PETER Hanson 250/1, Paul casey 250/1 AND IF HE TURNS UP PAD Harrington 140/1 look better value for small money... Dont get me wrong i like Tiger but for me he still has to prove hes anywere near back to his best. |
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100 golfers but at least 20 are only there to make up the numbers
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If Tiger drives the ball like he did at Bay Hill he wins. I'm not saying that he will for sure. He has won at Bay Hill before and missed out at the Masters. But he is the most likely winner for me. His form at this event is brilliant and the fact that he hit the ball off the tee so well at Bay Hill and putted well just really excites me. I have never seen Tiger drive as well as he did at Bay Hill going into a major before. He will be there in the mix on the back 9 on Sunday and you will get value for your 5-1 and more than likely will get the opportunity to lay him to cover your stake. If Tiger can win at Augusta spraying the ball all over the place and hitting second shots from behind pine trees what will he not do hitting fairways?
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And Tiger used to be something like 2/1 for this when he was at his best.
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Pete... you cant honestly be suggesting that Retief Goosen has ever had a better short game than Luke Donald? Of course he had some very high points and some great moments, but compare the two of them over their best few seasons and I would say Donalds is significantly better.
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When has Luke really produced when it matters? Goosen won 2 US Opens on lightening fast greens. Do you remember Shinnicock Hills? I judge a players greatness in their performances in majors. When it mattered most, when the pressure was at its highest Goosen was able to produce clutch put after clutch put. Id say if you compared Lukes putting stats to Tiger over the past number of seasons then he would be much ahead. Does that make him a better putter?
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To me the definition of short game is 'chipping/pitching' under 150 yards, bunker play, scrambling' and does not include putting.....putting is a separate skill.....perhaps that's why some above are confused ??
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correct otherwise we might as well say that ken brown had the best short game in the world
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Fair enough in what you are saying but personally I see putting as part of the short game but yes it is a separate skill.
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mark wilson @ 350 worth a couple quid .
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Horses for courses:
Schwarz the champ 48 Sneddeker 95 good record here and improving Cabrera 130 past champ and excellent record Wagner 190 improving and can improve on previous Augusta promise. |
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BVP, Scott and to trade E.Molinari.
Debating whether to also back Donald and lay Woods |
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TO TRADE
RYAN PALMER - 200/210/220 HITS IT MILES, TOP PUTTER, 10TH LAST YEAR AND EARLY TEE TIME AVOIDING THE BAD WEATHER |
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Johnson WAGNER @ 200
Much better golfer than that price gives him credit for. |
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hunter mahan @34 (his putting has improved massively this year)
steve stricker @51 geoff ogilvy @81 david toms @200 gl all |
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hunter mahan @34 (his putting has improved massively this year)
steve stricker @51 geoff ogilvy @81 david toms @200 gl all |
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For me it has to be Immelman e/w, top 10 and top South African.
Add to that Peter Hanson e/w and top 10. |
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AGAIN TO TRADE
ROBERT GARRIGUS - 260 NOW THE RAINS HAVE SOFTENED THE COURSE YOU WANT TO BE WITH THE LONG HITTERS GARRIGUS 2ND LONGEST ON TOUR, GOOD PUTTER, 2ND TWICE ALREADY THIS SEASON (MOST RECENT 2 WEKS AGO), 3RD LAST YEARS US OPEN AND A NICE EARLY TEE TIME |
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Anyone backed Woodland? Driving distance up there with the best of them, and will make mincemeat of the par 5s. Has top eagle stats on tour. Was very impressed with his two wins on tour last year, and whilst he has been under the radar this year he has been solid, making every cut.
Unlike Bradley, for example, he is not a rookie either, finished a decent T24 last year. Decent putter on him as well. I haven't backed him because I have reached my allocated budget before the off, but he is on my list of those to get onside once I've juggled my book around a bit. Only real negative is that I think his scrambling might not quite be up to it round here, but he has the sort of profile that could see him in contention, could be worth a poke at 150s. |
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HAS HE NOT BEEN MUCKING ABOUT WITH HIS SWING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MARYCHAIN?
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He's been doing a Kaymer/Pod has he? Never a good sign. Glad I havent backed him then
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He's been doing a Kaymer/Pod has he? Never a good sign. Glad I havent backed him then
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I would want 300 for Woodland....150 is no value
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