As i wrote that Arsenal got bashed in a bit, could possibly lay at evens.

Spot on U A was going to post the same,its a price that does look wrong but for the reasons given and Chelsea may rest a few i would be surprised if the Arsenal price drifts back to the 2.12 mark.

Also the time between the games: last night was very intense and demanding for them right through the 95 minutes, and ko at Sat lunchtime, rather than the usual Sunday game that may be normal after a Wed Euro game may have an impact.

Drogba who normally does well vs Arse is possibly only going to be on the subs bench with Torres starting, which may effect their goal expectation in some way. However, given Chelsea's current siege-like mentality and form, i think Arsenal will probably drift again close to the match; Evens for them to win a big game like this... yuck.

just caught up smithy lad. trades looking ok for weekend?

Large move on Unders for both Europa games, particularly Sporting v Bilbao when the team was announced.

These are my Odds from my ratings

.	Home		Draw	Away		.
2.32	Arsenal		3.48	Chelsea		3.52
2.36	Aston Villa		3.39	Sunderland		3.55
2.43	Blackburn		3.54	Norwich		3.27
2.52	Bolton		3.37	Swansea		3.25
1.92	Fulham		3.77	Wigan		4.67
2.03	Newcastle		3.59	Stoke		4.37
5.08	QPR		4.10	Tottenham		1.79
1.49	Man United		4.69	Everton		8.70
1.49	Liverpool		4.69	West Brom		8.70
7.86	Wolves		4.43	Man City		1.55

need some help from any pre off football traders. what should i do with my totenham lay? do people think they will drift or be backed in? i can't decide but highest bookies price is evs at betvictor. might cash this out early to concentrate on some of the better trades i have.

Great Thread Smithy well played pal, keep it up...rarely on the General betting forum nice to a good thread doing well

hi bergkamp, thebert and graham poll (good ref) nice one for the comments.

yeh graham poll with trades that go wrong have a look back through the thread and there has been some long debating over whether to trade out before kickoff or whether to risk in play. i have scooped some big wins in the last few weeks whilst the thread has been going from letting trades go in play but there is every chance i will be caught out soon so the rule now is all trades are traded out before kickoff for a green or red.

the under 2.5 goals trades have been so prolific i have only had to trade out for a red once before kickoff all the rest i have been green at kickoff or broke even. i am pretty confident about tommorows trades.

the best decision i ever made was not to put this in the football forum would be a nightmare stuck in the pile of free money threads

funds are currently waiting at 2.24 qpr vs tottenahm under 2.5 please get matched

god qpr vs spurs unders backed in from 2.22 into 2.1 without all my dosh being matched.

is someone catching onto me wel annoying

followed your advice on unders for arsenal v chelsea, backed at 2.1 laid at 2 for nice pre game profit. didn't do qpr v spurs but noticed you would have made even more then (currently unders at 1.95) - well done smithy

boom green on unders and big drift on spurs nice. will update results tommorow off out on night out

hi guys liverpool vs west brom under 2.5 at 2.4 is to big it was 2.2 yesterday and looks out of line with bookies prices am on

2.38 still available and excellant liquidity confident of drop. good luck people

oh my god man city are 1.22 to win at wolves after utd's slip up. really £100 to win £22 not for me. only two wins away this year. this could be a dream day for bookies.

wolves trading at 17 they won this fixture last season and showed signs of improving with a 0-0 draw at sunderland. i know what i'd rather put money on.

just layed man city at 1.2 for £20 liability just to finish off the weekend. rarely do i bet in play but i have never seen an away price like it.
not bothered if city win just a value punt for me.

new position in wolves vs man city

wolves =+£200 the draw=+£200 man city= -£29

city have hardly had an attack in second half

the bolton vs swansea under 2.5 market was a non runner as the price got hammered in before i could get on, and the dortmund vs mgladbach under 2.5 had no liquidity in and was impossible to get 1k matched hours before kickoff so no bets on these 2.

arsenal +£0 the draw +£0 chelsea +£0 i traded this one quite well considering. i mentioned earlier in thread i wanted to get out before team news came out and thats what i did and it was a good move to lay twice by topping lay up at 2.02 which enabled me to get out unscathed if i hadn't have topped up i would of lost some.

arsenal vs chelsea under 2.5 =£0 over 2.5 = -£10 this market wasn't helped by arsenal being backed in and when the drop failed to occur around 45-60 before kickoff thats usually the signal to get out.

liverpool vs west brom under 2.5 = -£36 over 2.5 = -£30 this was also a nightmare and left me seething. everthing added up to make me confident this would drop an hour before kickoff and with the amount of trades i have done on this market i felt confident but the only reason i can think of why it did'nt is that liverpool were so short in the match betting and this affected the goals prices making them drift instead of coming in.

bayern vs real madrid under 2.5 =+£60 over 2.5= +£0

tottenham vs qpr   tottenham = +£67 draw = +£66  qpr = +£66

tottenham vs qpr under 2.5 = +£50 over 2.5 +£50  this was equally as fustrating. i noticed a **** in the market so managed to get a few hundred matched at 2.2 only for the rest to be unmatched and price crashed to 2.1. got some more matched and then price was 1.92 at kickoff a massive 28 tick movement much more than i expected. so of won more on this.

wolves vs man city  wolves =+£200 draw =+£200 man city = -£29 can't accept any team being 1/5 for an away league game so had a lay for a smallish liability. could of been a different story if wolves had a bit more firepower.

overall profit =£51 hope for much better next week that profit is certainly not worth the hours spent watching the markets but suppose i was due a fustrating week

Tomorrow, Villa-Bolton Unders may come in a bit, currently 2.0 but wouldn't surprise me if was close to 1.9 at the off.

Next Monday the Manc derby: are unders (looks to be near 2.2 at the moment) going to steam like other top of the table clashes; i'm not so sure in this case, since the draw is less of a likely outcome with Man City maybe having to go for absolute broke if teams are still drawing late on.