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Rather than waffle on using past results to prove points, which
IMO, is meaningless without prices as it happens, let's see how this evenings's match pans out. Ipswich v Coventry. Does it qualify for the system ? If so the lay price of the draw is 3.80. What about it then ? |
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layed 3.80, backed 4.90 after 7 mins
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Easy money ? In your dreams.
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How come you didn't post your bet till
after the goal was scored ? |
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Kenilworth, are you really this stupid?
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i-only-lay has talked about this bet several times today. He's explained his reasoning behind it. He was always going to get out after a goal. Definitely no aftertiming here.
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posted early this afternoon i would be using the ipswich/cov game. posted about 4 times actually.
I dont sit all day on this forum you know. I also said I would be looking at horsens/odense to be a draw at halftime and it was. laid it @ 2.50 and 63rd min odense 2-1, then 3 mins later 3-1 had 5 trades 5 winners. you upset because you thought ipswich was going to be a low scoring game. You obviously thought i was going to lose here as you have posted elsewhere you thought this would be 0-0 I knew different [;)] |
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oh and LB you are more than welcome to post on the thread if you wish. I dont mind who posts on it and im sorry if i gave the impression i didnt want you posting on it
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Thanks i-only-lay, but that's okay. You're the one who has the strong and well-reasoned views, so I will try and leave this thread to you as much as possible. I have felt compelled to jump in a couple of times today when Kenilworth was spouting nonsense..
Generally though, I think it would be better if the rest of us left this thread to you as much as possible. Paul, in particular, likes to chat, so the fewer of us there are on here, the fewer chances he'll have to blether on to somebody and fill up a potentially very interesting thread with irrelevant guff! |
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I have some of the profits on the ipswich side to lay them
layed ipswich @ 1.08 for £100. Coventry had some good chances and if they can get the next goal it is game on. Cov are more capable of getting back into this as ipswich cant defend. |
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Do like these bets sometimes, but only on price. Just laid the Torino match 0-0 at 55mins draw@2.08
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I didn't say I thought it would be 0-0, I said 0-0, 1-0. and 2-0
would suit me. Have another look. |
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ipswich: £13.77
coventry: £116.28 draw: £116.28 i deally I want it back to 2-2, then i lay the draw and someone wins 3-2 in stoppage time and make £500 ![]() |
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Going well. Im gonna leave you to it now on this thread. All the best.
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Has it occurred to anyone who layed the draw at Ipswich
and closed their bet after a goal, they, in effect gave away 77% of their profit from the lay ? doesn't seem very clever to me. |
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yes but its smal gains
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must be a game we can target each day to use this system on
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I've tested something similar 8 times now.
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This 'laying the draw' then backing the draw when a goal is scored
is an old chestnut, marketed a few years ago, called (I think) THE CASH GENERATOR. The weakness thought at the time was the 0-0 draw, the slight chance of two quick goals, and dependence on prices. GL to those who play. |
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yep we outlined the 2 major flaws last night so just need to select games that are unlikely to be 0-0 and hope we get 8 or 9 out of 10 right i guess
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It seems to me that if there was a way of predicting the "correct"price on the cs markets pre match ie-0-0,1-1,2-2 ltd would be an excellant way to trade yourself to semi riches. Soccer mystic is s hite by the way. . .
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Select the matches unlikely to be 0-0 ? Every match
is very unlikely to be 0-0, is it not ? |
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isnt it one of the top 4 scores
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About 4th or 5th but still about 12/1. Aren't
12/1 chances very unlikely ? |
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well what you reckon kenno if we pick a 0-0 every 8/9 games are we in profit overall long term?
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Probably not.
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just realised the original liability on the Lyon draw here is £230
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Lay the draw is a tried and failed system. Type 'lay the draw' into google. Many have tried and failed with the same system. Be careful with this one guys.
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Following on from those stats I posted a few days ago saying Fulham had more 0-0 draws than anyone in the league last year, I see they've just recorded another 0-0 in the League Cup tonight. In fact, combined with the 0-0 with Aston Villa in the Prem League, that's two 0-0 draws for Fulham already this season! (And that's not including the 0-0 recorded in the Uefa Cup..)
I guess an aversion to seeing goals being scored would help if you're a Fulham fan. |
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Fulham are a solid Premier League side who do what they
do, that is stay in the top league, won't win it, but won't get relegated, play to their strengths, stay solvent, good fan club base, get full houses (almost) every match cos of their shrewd match pricing, etc. What are they doing wrong ? |
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Well they're not doing an awful lot wrong as such (I was talking about them more in the context of a team to avoid if you're laying the 0-0 and hoping for there to be goals). However, they're not wildly exciting are they? Their solidity is, in its way, something of an achievement, but I doubt their fans go there expecting to be thrilled and aroused every week! (And I thought football was supposed to be about passion.)
Also, should they get pulled down into a relegation fight this year, I think their fans will quite quickly turn on them - being bored by their own football team is acceptable when the side is doing well, but it'll become something of a sore point if they're dull but not even certain of staying in the Prem. |
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So what should they do then ? They know they can't win the
league so their target is to achieve as high a position as possible, which they do admirably. Maybe from your point of view, they are a boriing lot, but they do their best. As regards how the fans reaction to them being dragged into a relegation fight, perhaps we should wait till it happens before judging them. Don't for a moment think I am a Fulham fan,(I support no Premier League side) but I salute the 'Fulhams' of the League. I can think of a few sides in the lower leagues who would swop places with them in a flash. |
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Well if I was a Fulham supporter, I'd perhaps be sending covetous glances in the direction of Stoke and Bolton, who are at least making an attempt to lift themselves to higher heights. It may end in tears, but at least they're having a go at being something other than safe and bland.
Anyway, I'm not interested in having a long discussion about this. I don't have any particular gripe about Fulham, even if I think they are the most boring side in the PL in terms of the thrills they give their supporters. I was really only highlighting their lack of a scoring edge since it's important to anyone looking for a team not to lay 0-0 draws on. But then, since you've misinterpreted almost every other comment on this thread, it doesn't surprise me that you're getting overly stroppy about mine. |
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Me getting stroppy about your comment(s) ? You
flatter yourself it seems. I say it as I see it, and most posts are just that, not a response to anything you post. |
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I was the only one who mentioned Fulham. You came straight back with a post all about Fulham, posing the final question what were they doing wrong? I can only assume that was a response to what I had posted, and I don't see there was any 'flattery' involved on my part.
I never said most of your posts were responses to me, just that that particular one was, and also that you had misinterpreted almost all of the other comments (mostly written by people other than me) on the thread. And again you've misinterpreted my comment just now, so there's a theme here. Anyway, this was a worthwhile thread earlier in the week. I was trying to get a discussion going about which clubs we might want to keep an eye open for with regards to avoiding scoreless draws, and you seem to be trying to turn it into a pointless debate about what makes for a well-run team. (If you want to talk about that, why don't you start a thread on the football forum?) |
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You suggested that Fulham were a negative side and that their fans
could be throwing covetous glances at the likes of Stoke and Bolton, sides who actually finished 5 and 6 places behind them in the Premier League last season, incidently in the 2nd half of last season, 10 away games each, collected just 2 draws between them, yes Fulham fans would be envious of that. Perhaps you are right about those sides, not being much chance of them drawing 0-0, especially away from home! One thing I do disagree with you on, is your opinion that this was a worthwhile thread, as this old chestnut has been around a long time and been discussed many times, though it may be a new one to you. Just save your money. |
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This particular topic clearly isn't of interest to you, but, strangely enough, this forum doesn't revolve around you. Like I said before, if you want to go and keep discussing this, feel free to start a thread on the topic and I'm sure you'll have plenty of people discussing the merits of being a safe and secure side as opposed to one which is spending money (though not in excessive amounts) in an attempt to aim at higher success (Stoke).
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What would higher success be for Stoke, finishing above Fulham ?
Regards the topic of this thread, I find it fascinating that any one would back a system that shows no reference to prices, and you yourself are backing it seemingly because you are bored ! I suppose that is the reason why so many lose money punting, cos they are bored. |
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Just read a few of your earlier posts on this thread. It
seems you don't really have a clue as to what you are doing. |
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Fulham have outscored Stoke in each of the last 3 premiership seasons.
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