BFF

the figures posted are total gross figures... you can back out growth rates for the last 4 years if you like.... I have them all.... and the Core sports exchange is still growing well.  I will tray and post them here but I hate trying to post tables.

Financial Q    II    Soccer    II    Tennis    II    Golf    II    Cricket    II    Greyhounds    II    Horse Racing    II    Basketball    II    Other    II    TOTAL
Q1 FY08    II     1,194,490,726     II     1,918,055,432     II     121,219,378     II     197,626,828     II     67,621,468     II     2,690,516,180     II     61,665,205     II     274,866,398     II     6,526,061,614
Q2 FY08    II     2,159,338,961     II     1,571,290,122     II     75,393,008     II     507,678,688     II     70,505,901     II     2,406,689,651     II     55,666,899     II     415,471,264     II     7,262,034,494
Q3 FY08    II     2,522,408,509     II     705,175,261     II     34,234,604     II     226,858,954     II     87,386,188     II     2,373,839,236     II     214,257,502     II     522,482,007     II     6,686,642,262
Q4 FY08    II     2,857,278,206     II     1,178,521,737     II     86,043,351     II     278,326,374     II     104,759,555     II     2,830,624,888     II     174,277,876     II     298,214,964     II     7,808,046,951
Q1 FY09    II     1,969,808,150     II     2,206,564,792     II     116,111,658     II     424,562,346     II     103,916,588     II     3,177,976,091     II     88,966,028     II     288,316,749     II     8,376,222,402
Q2 FY09    II     2,758,569,286     II     1,512,326,653     II     88,948,887     II     206,750,281     II     109,729,085     II     2,630,970,801     II     27,314,153     II     465,645,130     II     7,800,254,276
Q3 FY09    II     3,394,126,759     II     861,296,513     II     28,153,536     II     229,208,616     II     133,610,612     II     2,471,598,785     II     278,920,900     II     556,647,775     II     7,953,563,495
Q4 FY09    II     3,560,536,531     II     1,726,674,691     II     78,367,183     II     348,751,495     II     143,005,621     II     2,921,859,037     II     235,361,705     II     330,989,377     II     9,345,545,640
Q1 FY10    II     1,999,447,553     II     2,722,394,337     II     107,455,930     II     735,688,208     II     136,952,215     II     3,358,059,330     II     114,033,606     II     307,598,021     II     9,481,629,199
Q2 FY10    II     3,653,035,457     II     2,047,267,800     II     95,948,025     II     729,110,503     II     154,036,835     II     3,082,666,740     II     100,285,182     II     337,919,267     II     10,200,269,809
Q3 FY10    II     3,858,565,173     II     1,209,224,559     II     39,245,848     II     343,668,017     II     157,279,463     II     2,452,581,181     II     307,225,918     II     561,571,011     II     8,929,361,169
Q4 FY10    II     4,304,506,076     II     1,763,430,813     II     88,198,817     II     668,980,811     II     173,922,933     II     2,948,718,965     II     256,775,531     II     364,878,035     II     10,569,411,981
Q1 FY11    II     4,134,617,606     II     2,922,419,691     II     111,129,651     II     680,437,978     II     165,364,336     II     3,390,960,404     II     129,244,328     II     334,717,511     II     11,868,891,506
Q2 FY11    II     3,988,077,789     II     2,688,743,024     II     116,517,256     II     509,346,354     II     167,863,545     II     2,990,386,873     II     116,847,399     II     334,052,009     II     10,911,834,250
Q3 FY11    II     5,140,068,533     II     1,371,995,480     II     39,396,473     II     560,060,765     II     174,717,794     II     2,564,411,901     II     405,951,651     II     528,779,608     II     10,785,382,204
Q4 FY11    II     4,576,486,100     II     2,152,274,936     II     93,579,835     II     1,407,927,578     II     157,811,808     II     3,057,990,951     II     290,575,788     II     285,696,055     II     12,022,343,051

Financial Q    II    Soccer   

Tennis

Golf

Cricket

Greyhounds

Horse Racing

Basketball

Other

Q1 FY08    II     1,194,490,726     ||     1,918,055,432     ||     121,219,378     ||     197,626,828     ||     67,621,468     ||     2,690,516,180     ||     61,665,205     ||     274,866,398     ||     6,526,061,614
Q2 FY08    II     2,159,338,961     ||     1,571,290,122     ||     75,393,008     ||     507,678,688     ||     70,505,901     ||     2,406,689,651     ||     55,666,899     ||     415,471,264     ||     7,262,034,494
Q3 FY08    II     2,522,408,509     ||     705,175,261     ||     34,234,604     ||     226,858,954     ||     87,386,188     ||     2,373,839,236     ||     214,257,502     ||     522,482,007     ||     6,686,642,262
Q4 FY08    II     2,857,278,206     ||     1,178,521,737     ||     86,043,351     ||     278,326,374     ||     104,759,555     ||     2,830,624,888     ||     174,277,876     ||     298,214,964     ||     7,808,046,951
Q1 FY09    II     1,969,808,150     ||     2,206,564,792     ||     116,111,658     ||     424,562,346     ||     103,916,588     ||     3,177,976,091     ||     88,966,028     ||     288,316,749     ||     8,376,222,402
Q2 FY09    II     2,758,569,286     ||     1,512,326,653     ||     88,948,887     ||     206,750,281     ||     109,729,085     ||     2,630,970,801     ||     27,314,153     ||     465,645,130     ||     7,800,254,276
Q3 FY09    II     3,394,126,759     ||     861,296,513     ||     28,153,536     ||     229,208,616     ||     133,610,612     ||     2,471,598,785     ||     278,920,900     ||     556,647,775     ||     7,953,563,495
Q4 FY09    II     3,560,536,531     ||     1,726,674,691     ||     78,367,183     ||     348,751,495     ||     143,005,621     ||     2,921,859,037     ||     235,361,705     ||     330,989,377     ||     9,345,545,640
Q1 FY10    II     1,999,447,553     ||     2,722,394,337     ||     107,455,930     ||     735,688,208     ||     136,952,215     ||     3,358,059,330     ||     114,033,606     ||     307,598,021     ||     9,481,629,199
Q2 FY10    II     3,653,035,457     ||     2,047,267,800     ||     95,948,025     ||     729,110,503     ||     154,036,835     ||     3,082,666,740     ||     100,285,182     ||     337,919,267     ||     10,200,269,809
Q3 FY10    II     3,858,565,173     ||     1,209,224,559     ||     39,245,848     ||     343,668,017     ||     157,279,463     ||     2,452,581,181     ||     307,225,918     ||     561,571,011     ||     8,929,361,169
Q4 FY10    II     4,304,506,076     ||     1,763,430,813     ||     88,198,817     ||     668,980,811     ||     173,922,933     ||     2,948,718,965     ||     256,775,531     ||     364,878,035     ||     10,569,411,981
Q1 FY11    II     4,134,617,606     ||     2,922,419,691     ||     111,129,651     ||     680,437,978     ||     165,364,336     ||     3,390,960,404     ||     129,244,328     ||     334,717,511     ||     11,868,891,506
Q2 FY11    II     3,988,077,789     ||     2,688,743,024     ||     116,517,256     ||     509,346,354     ||     167,863,545     ||     2,990,386,873     ||     116,847,399     ||     334,052,009     ||     10,911,834,250
Q3 FY11    II     5,140,068,533     ||     1,371,995,480     ||     39,396,473     ||     560,060,765     ||     174,717,794     ||     2,564,411,901     ||     405,951,651     ||     528,779,608     ||     10,785,382,204
Q4 FY11    II     4,576,486,100     ||     2,152,274,936     ||     93,579,835     ||     1,407,927,578     ||     157,811,808     ||     3,057,990,951     ||     290,575,788     ||     285,696,055     ||     12,022,343,051

Financial Q	Soccer	Tennis	Golf	Cricket	Greyhounds	Horse Racing	Basketball	Other	TOTAL
Q1 FY08	1,194,490,726	1,918,055,432	121,219,378	197,626,828	67,621,468	2,690,516,180	61,665,205	274,866,398	6,526,061,614
Q2 FY08	2,159,338,961	1,571,290,122	75,393,008	507,678,688	70,505,901	2,406,689,651	55,666,899	415,471,264	7,262,034,494
Q3 FY08	2,522,408,509	705,175,261	34,234,604	226,858,954	87,386,188	2,373,839,236	214,257,502	522,482,007	6,686,642,262
Q4 FY08	2,857,278,206	1,178,521,737	86,043,351	278,326,374	104,759,555	2,830,624,888	174,277,876	298,214,964	7,808,046,951
Q1 FY09	1,969,808,150	2,206,564,792	116,111,658	424,562,346	103,916,588	3,177,976,091	88,966,028	288,316,749	8,376,222,402
Q2 FY09	2,758,569,286	1,512,326,653	88,948,887	206,750,281	109,729,085	2,630,970,801	27,314,153	465,645,130	7,800,254,276
Q3 FY09	3,394,126,759	861,296,513	28,153,536	229,208,616	133,610,612	2,471,598,785	278,920,900	556,647,775	7,953,563,495
Q4 FY09	3,560,536,531	1,726,674,691	78,367,183	348,751,495	143,005,621	2,921,859,037	235,361,705	330,989,377	9,345,545,640
Q1 FY10	1,999,447,553	2,722,394,337	107,455,930	735,688,208	136,952,215	3,358,059,330	114,033,606	307,598,021	9,481,629,199
Q2 FY10	3,653,035,457	2,047,267,800	95,948,025	729,110,503	154,036,835	3,082,666,740	100,285,182	337,919,267	10,200,269,809
Q3 FY10	3,858,565,173	1,209,224,559	39,245,848	343,668,017	157,279,463	2,452,581,181	307,225,918	561,571,011	8,929,361,169
Q4 FY10	4,304,506,076	1,763,430,813	88,198,817	668,980,811	173,922,933	2,948,718,965	256,775,531	364,878,035	10,569,411,981
Q1 FY11	4,134,617,606	2,922,419,691	111,129,651	680,437,978	165,364,336	3,390,960,404	129,244,328	334,717,511	11,868,891,506
Q2 FY11	3,988,077,789	2,688,743,024	116,517,256	509,346,354	167,863,545	2,990,386,873	116,847,399	334,052,009	10,911,834,250
Q3 FY11	5,140,068,533	1,371,995,480	39,396,473	560,060,765	174,717,794	2,564,411,901	405,951,651	528,779,608	10,785,382,204
Q4 FY11	4,576,486,100	2,152,274,936	93,579,835	1,407,927,578	157,811,808	3,057,990,951	290,575,788	285,696,055	12,022,343,051

Wow great data, look at soccer its massive, and the best grower, greyhounds are doing well also in growth not volume, horse racing is looking bumpy in growth of last few years but steady?

Also Betfair don't 'seed' their market to my knowledge. (ignorimg cross matching and hedging multiples) so I dont think Betfair have proactively propped up liquidity.... as they would get killed if they tried that.

I wasn't suggesting they were seeding magician but surely it would be easy for them to play ping pong with themselves through two separate commission free accounts to hold up the figures. Not saying they have or even need to, just saying why wouldn't they if they did need to?

Seeding actually is a good idea as the markets don't attract bets till the over round becomes fair,
as long as the cash is ping ponged back to customers and then the market self propagates I cant see any problem as it would catapult the liquidity, something that is needed when there are a lot of quick markets in that sport!

I think greyhound markets are handicapped by time compressed markets as what I think is happening is that betfair follows the track market which of course is via the bags system is run totally by the bookmakers, there are few real punters at trackside so office money is used to form the market from bookmakers feedback, so all the runners start at 3/1 the field, why on earth betfair dont form there own early prices based on real prediction models even of the most basic kind to kick start the markets instead of using the lame bags market I don't understand as no idiot is going to bet into a 130% over round market unless there getting brain washed in there local bookmaker!

Opened another very interesting topic, once again to find 7 of the last 8 posts are by the same person.  Look, I'm sure you value your own opinion very highly, but can you please calm down?  Even if you were to come out with something extremely revelatory it would likely go unnoticed due to the volume of drivel you churn out.

Going to be interesting to follow the figures as the sample size grows.  First glance it reflects what I'd have expected, does seem to be a slowdown in golf, tennis and cricket which is what you'd expect as these are probably the big 'traders' markets where PC2 payers are likely to be affected.  Certainly from my own experience on golf there's been a big momentum shift to purple.

Sorry bossman, I do get carried away and my last posts are not in-line with the thread and continually posting will make me look like I am drivelling, one member said they reckon I am like the priest in father ted who shouts FECK, DRINK, GIRLS and then collapses, I think he is quite funny and weird like me, leave you all to it on this thread[;)]

Theinvestor2

agree you need to look at Commission to be more precise....

but the ratio of matched money to comission has been really quite consistant (trending downards slightly) for the last 17 quarters...

so would be surprised if NORMAL comission ratio changes following the PC2, but we will know soon enough

did this for the tennis the other day (9/8/10 to 15/8/10 and 8/8/11 to 14/8/11)

both weeks covering exactly the same tournament levels (a masters and a premier) at the same time of day (US east coast)

Gender	Round	2010 TM	2011 TM
F	QF to F	13.1M	19.1M
F	3R 2R	12.4M	28.5M
F	1R	12.2M	17M
M	QF to F	49.9M	32.5M
M	3R 2R	77.14M	53.5M
M	1R	38M	37M

i'll check again at the end of this week, but figures would suggest a decline on ATP stuff.

DSTyle

quite inconsistent data.

Women s tennis, massively up, men considerably down.

Does this include IR betting? (granted my figure do also)

but in one tournament, I guess a few games that trade low IR (1.1) but get beat cause massive turnover... and skew the womens data up, and the mens data down.

well all need longer data sets.... but I am surprised, with all the people offering opinions on the PC etc etc etc not many are actually bothering to look at real data.

case in point - this thread has about 20 posts (excluding BFF)

yest anecdotal complaining threads attract 100s of posts.... give me confidence I will always win LOL

Seems pointless relying on figures that betfair can do what they want with. I'm pretty sure betd@q manipulate their figures and I'm not talking about the different criteria they use for calculating matched totals. Maybe it's something they put in the Irish water that makes them less trustworthy than our own fine ex-city fraudsters.

honestly whoever built this forum.... did the work for ****

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amen to that. it won't even wrap properly, and if you scroll right, the left hand bit of text disappears under the scrolling navigation bar we were apparently all clamouring for.

absolute abortion of a piece of work.

Where is magician getting the commission figures from?

Feck, I mean the ratio from Magician's post. You're right that strictly speaking the matched figures have to be taken with a large pinch of salt, but combining the info with commission paid, you get some useful info.

how does that make sense cat?

Catfloppo, please explain?  The key to successful betting is obtaining optimum prices and reducing costs wherever possible.  My loyalty was/is the partnership of huge turnover and risk in keeping the exchange liquid and thus attractive to all other customers.

"huge turnover" - in terms of one sided bets (no trading).