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horse laying challenge: £100 to £1k
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Oh, and Paul, Coolhand did actually post up a number of pre-off bets a few weeks ago (some of them on Acornel's thread). They all seemed well-reasoned, and there were some very nice winners in there. Overall those bets were extremely profitable. Whoever else's credibility you doubt, I wouldn't query Coolhand's.
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 paulme, I did post up pre race selections for a while on acornels and DFCIRONMANS thread ('my challenge ;horses and foot' maybe), the selections turned in a nice profit, but whenever i commented it was quickly followed by an angry and aggressive comment from yourself, i decided to stop posting on that thread because your petty comments were disrupting any good and worthwhile discussion amongst other users. I havent been on General betting for a while but see that you havent changed and you dont appear to have learnt anything, so i wish you good luck, youre going to need it. Coolhand  |
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To be fair to Paul
how sweet of you hug? |
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but luck has so far been on his side.
you havn't seen July  |
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Seems our posts crossed Coolhand. That's independent verification for you!
(And Paul, I'm always fair to you. You get from me exactly what you deserve!!) |
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I havent been on General betting for a while but see that you havent changed and you dont appear to have learnt anything, so i wish you good luck, youre going to need it.
start a thread and place some pre off bets on the horses and let's see how they do failhand |
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now im off out for a beer. hope you're kicking back with a beverage and cigar later too LB..
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No, believe me Paul, you have been lucky. Your strategies have been non-existent, and yet you've placed dozens upon dozens of bets. You could easily have lost thousands over the last few weeks. You seem to think it's bad luck that stops you from turning a profit, when it's actually the lack of a clue about anything that does that. It's good luck that's stopped you from losing a fortune.
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Yeah, you'd love Coolhand to give you some tips you could jump onto, wouldn't you!
If a few pre-off tips are what'll give him 'credibility', just go through the Acornel and DFC threads. You'll find evidence enough there. (I think we both know that's not really what you're after though..) |
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Only paul knows if he is up or down verall. But like a lot of gamblers he will be in denial about his true situation (especially if he is significantly down). Earlier on he said "if your bank goes though i guess you just deposit more" with an attitude like that, he will be suprised how quickly he will become seriously down overall very quickly. Not £100 up like he stated earlier on
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LordB,
Yes crossed posts (great minds maybe), thanks for defending me against paulme  , hope the US racing is treating you well, and your writing too. Seems the acornel and DFC thread has slowed right down now, has DFC been on with his new system results? I remember him being very enthusiastic about it. All the bestPaulme, Ive no interest in making a thread of my own, like Undern has, i would grow frustrated at endless questions from you, i enjoy reading his thread, through his methods, his progress, you can learn from reading it, and i sometimes contributing to a discussion, although im aware that he doesnt want too much interference, but i have no interest putting up some bets that you could follow after i put in the work to arrive at selections. |
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contributing - contribute
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Yeah, well like I say, he is going to have another blow-up very soon. I've made no secret of the fact that his tactics are utterly ridiculous, and he's going to pick up a four-figure bashing if he carries on like this.
But I do believe him on the breaking-even since Maunsell's Day at the beginning of August. If you had been reading the mythology of Paulme as extensively as I have over the last few weeks, you'd know that he has actually been 'balancing' out his bets thanks to some outrageously stupid chase bets. The problem with those sorts of chase bets is that they work perfectly up until the one time that they don't. And then you have the sort of traumatic Maunsell's Day tragedy that has haunted him since the beginning of August. (Actually, I suspect his next financial armageddon will be a much bigger one than the £850 or so he lost two months ago. But hey, that fun is for another day... Unless Paul chooses to take another path, of course...) |
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And coolhand seemed good enough to volunteer his P&L. But for no reason you called him an idiot. Why? you are demonstrating immature behaviour with remarks like that. For no reason you call another person an idiot? Strange way to behave imo.
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he will be suprised how quickly he will become seriously down overall very quickly.
you should see july. also if one loses a £100 bank, do they give up gambling or deposit more? |
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I've no interest in making a thread of my own,
quelle surprise. only hornets from football has successfully made £100 a day on the horses really |
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his tactics are utterly ridiculous
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Coolhand, I believe DFC's continuing to test his system privately. I don't think he was ever really interested in getting any actual views on it - since he didn't supply us with more than a few days of data, and since we obviously had no idea how the system had been created, it was pretty hard for us to offer any sensible advice. I think he just put up a few details since he was quite excited about the system, and wanted to give a quick refutation to Devlin, who had just put up a thread saying there was no Holy Grail in betting... I'm sure he'll tell you how his system's getting on if you're really interested!
Acornel has essentially closed down his thread, so I guess DFC doesn't feel the need to post up his selections any more. |
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But hey, that fun is for another day...
hope your not saying you'd find me losing money "fun" Bobbin? |
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FYI Maunsells Duke is my 3rd biggest ever single loss i think LB
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Paul, you're missing the point about the £100 bank. It doesn't matter how big or small the bank is. What matters is that you treat it as though it's the last money you have in the world. If you take the 'if this money goes, I'll just redeposit' attitude, you'll always find yourself throwing down the whole bank on stupid bets. And that means you'll continuously go through the 'make a little for a number of days or weeks, before losing every penny in one night' cycle.
It's about getting yourself into good habits and a winning frame of mind. |
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Paul, if you carry on playing as stupidly as you do, despite almost everybody on the forums telling you need to fix your ways, then you'll deserve whatever comes to you. It's called 'the redistribution of wealth', and I'm sure the person who gets your money off you will do something more worthwhile with it. Maybe 'fun' was the wrong word. Let's say 'justice' instead.
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make a little for a number of days or weeks, before losing every penny in one night
that's me right there |
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Yes Paul, I know it is. It's your choice whether you want to carry on being that person or not.
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anyway i am not placing a single bet til ascot next sat
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LordB
I did think that thread (Acornel and DFC) was quite interesting, their approach appeared to be very different to mine, its good to discuss various approaches, and i found it useful reading, as well as Underns. But at times DFC and acornel were both forcing it in my opinion, or they felt the need to place a bet on every race, which is another reason a thread can be harmful, inactivity or saying 'no bet' regularly can make very dull reading, and having a thread or blog i would feel a responsibility almost to have a bet despite not having a strong selection, i might have said to you that i felt myself looking at races that i would otherwise eliminate straight away, and searching for a selection just to have a bet and 'prove' myself. I dont have to prove myself to anyone other than myself at the end of the day. Im not sure i want to know the 'Grail', im not sure there is a 'Grail', i think you have to constantly be adapting and perfecting, developing and learning, being flexibile and not rigid, and not grow complacent. DFC did appear to be very enthusiastic, so hope its working out for him, he seemed to put in a lot of hours, and if it does work out im not sure i would share it with strangers on here. |
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No, I wouldn't blame DFC for not sharing his system. In fact, I'd be stunned if he did!
There did definitely seem to be too much betting going on on that thread. You've got to be very good indeed to be able to place bet after bet and make them pay overall. Acornel had a good work ethic, and certainly had a lot of confidence in his own ability. But I think he's probably quite near the beginning of the learning cycle when it comes to constructing trading systems, and he hasn't yet grasped that just because a trend appears to be present in past data, there's absolutely no guarantee that that trend will continue to exist when you test it with fresh data. Most trading systems are like snowmen - they tend to melt very quickly! Personally I think he needs to read a bit by Stanley Druckenmiller, but then I'm not at all sure he was very interested in anything I had to suggest! |
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paulme I would be interested on your thoughts about the horses at Ascot for say, Saturday?
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LordB
I really like the snowmen metaphor. |
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Oh, by the way Paul, I've seen you posting several times that you won't be betting again until Ascot. If so, smart decision! (I take it you'll be putting a healthy bundle on Frankel!)
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Thanks Coolhand!
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I thought about elaborating ('you go to bed at night thinking they're your new best friends, only to wake up the next day to find them melting away'), but if there's one area you shouldn't be sentimental, it's bloody system building! Those things can be very frustrating....
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paulme
anyway i am not placing a single bet til ascot next sat I presume you'll be frequenting the forum despite that, though? I'd hate to miss out on your insight over the next week. |
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It feels more like the black death Freddie. I don't think I'm long for this world...
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I'd hate to miss out on your insight over the next week.
oh yes i'll be hear Rob. fear not |
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*here
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About you lumping on Frankel;
Punters charged into Goldikova last weekend (i think she went off at 4/7 in the UK but much shorter in France), she was making her last run in France on her favoured fast ground in the race she won a year earlier, against her main rival (Dream Ahead) who had never convinced over 7f+, she had the run of things and Dream Ahead tried to throw the race away by wandering off a true line late, but she was still beat. There is no such thing as a sure thing so be careful paulme, dont overstake just because its a short price, someone said on your thread on the horse racing forum that you need to have a staking plan/strategy to know how much to stake and they are right, so until you have that i wouldnt go too crazy backing him, Frankel should win, but i will just be enjoying the spectacle. |
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i realise the freak may not win
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Undern you're right. only mine and your challenge threads seem to have the stamina to carry on
Gee I didn't realise your thread was a challenge thread - I thought it was a challenge thread which you gave up on after a few days. Can you please keep a running total, post up your full p&l and bets each day and perhaps a brief as well thanks ... |
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undern your mixing threads here but we'll let that ride as it's a sunday
i meant a thread that continues to be active, even if it veers from it's original purpose |