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sideshowbob seems to have the appropiate username. Not the sharpest tool in the box. Scaremongering imo.
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*0r a BF plant....
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this is a pearoast of a thread started on chit-chat.
there was another contribution from JBHA, who i have absolutely no reason to doubt. JamesBlakesHugeArse 03 Jul 11 07:31 Bob and others interested A few weeks ago a bot went crazy on an asian champ league game, offering ridiculous odds, quickly racking up a +40k liability. I, along with several others who I know, took the majority and daq then suspended the market. This was about an hour before the match started - they were 'conducting an investigation' Market was reopened 5 minutes before kick off and we were assured that bets would stand, and there was mayhem as people tried to cover their bets. Daq didnt pay out for another 24 hours, they apparently launched another investigation into what went on and we were being told by clueless customer service they had no idea what was going on with the bets - I was sitting on a 5 figure loss if they had voided. A couple of days after paying they closed my account. I have had a lot of bets voided by then due to, as Jack said, incorrect setting of market, but there was no argument here, no way they could escape it - it was simply a bot gone wrong. I am almost certain that it was their own bot, they were transposing odds from an asian site when something happened - this is the only possible explanation for their behaviour, the long investigation, the closing of my account. They must have gone down every avenue in an attempt to wriggle out and **** us over. Do not trust them, do not take odds that appear too good to be true, they are seeding their markets. I have also had an unsuccessful appeal to IBAS |
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Betfair have voided markets for exactly the same reason.
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If the market is set up correctly, you have no worries, as gambling wagers are legally binding on all parties, including an exchange where it is placed, if they are seeding the markets that is their concern.
In this situation, and clearly bearing in mind the sums of money involved, taking a screenshot of the display and emailing it to yourself (to prove the time it was showing) is an absolute MUST. Obviously if it was set up wrongly (eg, different teams, incorrect kick off time, wrong side shown playing at home, etc), then that is a different matter and voiding is naturally correct. |
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Sure Knight Rider, but I reckon this is just API users trying to profit by grabbing price info from Betfair and seeding purple, I haven't seen any evidence they are doing this themselves.
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im not joking, trolling or whatever.
and still no word from them at all. im fed up with it, trying not to think about it. there may be thousands at stake here, most of it my own money, but i have far more important things to worry about right now. theyre obviously taking ages deliberately, whatever they do theres no way id ever bet with them ever again. the whole thing is beyond a joke. as far as seeding, my guess is its about 99% certain theyre seeding the markets. thats why theyre trying to squirm out of it by making me look bad. like i said before, if they are investigating all customers who have a position in the market then how come the person laying the bets is still laying prices and their account hasnt been suspended like mine??? its fairly obvious theres only been one layer in the market all season imo. if id known they were a bookmakers and not a betting exchange then i would never have used them in the first place. |
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Make sure you post when you are told the outcome sideshowbob. Like I said, I think you have a very reasonable chance to get both your funds and your winnings. Either way, I along with many others would like to hear about it.
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Following this investigation and as per our terms and conditions highlighted below we have voided all orders placed by all members from (ive deleted the date)
You can now access your **** account to withdraw funds available to you at this time. We will look to return funds to your registered card in the next 24 hours if you haven’t already done so. Any further funds due to you following settlement of your outstanding markets will be returned to you with 36 hours of market settlement. Once all withdrawals have been completed your account membership with **** will be terminated under our terms and conditions highlighted below No further correspondence will be entered into in this matter. |
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Are you willing to say which T+C you were accused of breaking or would you rather end the thread there?
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Bit of a shocker,imo. . . . . . .
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they dont say. because i obviously havent broke any of them.
9 Suspension and termination We reserve the right to refuse to register an applicant or to suspend and/or terminate a Member's registration and Member's Account at our absolute discretion and with no obligation to provide Members with any reasons for so doing. Without restricting our ability to rely on other remedies that may be available to us, we will suspend or terminate Members' Accounts or cancel any unmatched offers at our absolute discretion if: (i) we suspect that Members are acting other than on their own behalf or otherwise in concert with others or engaging in illegal or fraudulent activity while using the **** Services; (ii) we suspect that Members are breaching any terms of this Agreement; (iii) we suspect that Members are acting in a manner that is detrimental to the conduct of ****'s business; (iv) we suspect that Members may be having difficulties obtaining credit; (v) we suspect that it is illegal for a Member to participate in the Exchange, (vi) we are unable to verify registered address or contact telephone number, or (vii) we are required to do so by law. |
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thats from the email btw.
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im not going to make any other comment, there really isnt anything i need to say. theyve pretty much said how they see their customers themselves...
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reason number (iii) i would imagine.
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Cheers bob.
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Look this is the problem in their eyes.You took the value odds that where on offer and won.
The value odds offered where layed by their own bots. Therefore you are a winner and they have lost not their customers. So similair to the welshing baldy fredrico bookies they don't want to pay you out. I promise you that you WILL be paid. But they just want to put the heat on you as they are so mad that they newly written bots will have to be turned off and you are the reason they had to do that. It stinks.You are treat like a criminal when youshould be applauded at picking winning selections. |
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i wont get paid, the matter is closed and i have no intention of following it up.
anybody still insist they dont seed their own markets because they dont have any real customers?? |
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Anyone remember Sporting Options? I found it a better site than BF and could get my football bets matched. Unfortunately it went under when it turned out the owners lost all their money seeding it.
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Dont see any reason why you wont get paid in full.
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That's very surprising and poor form from Betdakk. Not sure what they're thinking.
Email them back and ask them to tell you specifically what happened. This is surely the one time they don't want a load of bad press on their competitors forum. Idiots. Betfair and Betdakk must employ the same PR company. |
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bob, this thread has been really useful. i was on the brink of opening an account with them too...as i am so frustrated at the bf commission rates.
you have been robbed imo and i would not let it drop if i was you. |
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viva el presidente! 01 Jul 11 23:13
complete joke of a firm. you could almost believe they were secretly owned by BF to prove how impossible it is to run a decent rival exchange. _________________________________ Makes you wonder |
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Disgusting closing the account.
They are no better than the high street boys closing your account for betting on a rick. It's a fukkinn betting exchange ! What are we supposed to do next time we place a bet, think oooh that price looks too good to be true,it must be a rick, better not bet on that. |
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agree totally with phil. cannot see how they can get away with this - surely the art of making money from betting is picking value winners at value prices - now we have to figure out if it's too good a value and consequently a rick, so cannot take the price. absolute joke
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just closed my account, thanks for the heads up
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they even voided 3k's worth of bets on one team where i was 3k red on all other selections.
yet conveniently havent voided bets on the same markets where im all red. draw your own conclusions! |
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Tell them that you will take them to court unless they pay what they owe you. And do so.
You WILL be paid, one way or another. |
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Isn't it amazing the horror stories from **** whenever Betfair announce bad news?
The propaganda workforce in overtime. |
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sideshow do you have any screenshots yet?
And have **** mentioned why they have suspended your account? |
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Isn't it amazing the horror stories from **** whenever Betfair announce bad news?
The propaganda workforce in overtime. Or you could take a look at the market in question and see the evidence for yourself before you accuse someone of lying... |
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Yes, you can certainly see the evidence from the huge bets matched compared with the other divisions.
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Betduck do this quite often it is their seeding of the market imo,I was also heavily on James Blakes match so I sweated for 24hrs too.Please note they are a bunch of Irish pikeys so can't be trusted.
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When you put it like that it's difficult to disagree.
Oh FFS< why can't there be a proper competitor to Betfair, one who believes in the ethos of punters exchanging bets through an exchange, instead of one who believes that all monies r belong to us. |
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I would just like to point out an important fact. Purple are monitoring this very thread as I speak. (I jest not)
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They are indeed on the forum today, for a reason.
Good stuff. |
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* I would just like to add that I do love Irish pikeys.
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lol
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dya like daqs?
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Sideshow....Are you saying that you undertook a market strategy and when BetDuck decided that their bots had made mistakes that they only refunded the parts of your strategy that are guaranteed Winners but are keeping your money on the other guaranteed losing teams that formed part of the same market strategy ?
Surely this can't be right ? |