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I gotta sleep..
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i dont know. theres very little money matched on here on any of the divisions, so how would that work?
only 2,000ish on the same division that has 120k matched over there. |
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212k even. just looked.
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Is 120k a normal amount to matched over there on these markets?
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I'm guessing they might be thinking its some kind of market manipulation, perhaps prices are put up according to what is put into the system they monitor whether it be on their own network or elsewhere. Maybe someone has researched it as I wouldnt know.
In theory they've been caught out if so but I can see how they would be a bit narked about it if its their money. See what they come up with. |
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Is 120k a normal amount to matched over there on these markets?
lol Im gonna say NO. |
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Yeah I'd be suprised to see that in a decent footy match
 can you really not get a screenshot? |
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If no then my money is on game fixing investigation and suspension due to that. I think there are authorities to whom bookies and exchanges report immediately if abnormally high sums appear. But in that case it should end quite quickly if they see it was just overround what you took, but you never know....
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not really, theyre on my office pc. and im in bed!
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Those markets have zero interest ever. I have looked regularly over several years both here and there.
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tier - this is Major League Baseball, the highest paid sport in the world. No one is going to fix the whole season for £100,000. Particularly with the Yankees and Red Sox, teams which have several players being paid $15m+ annually.
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cant be game fixing cos its on division outrights and theres like 80 games still to play!
if id known it was their own bot gone wrong i wouldnt have done it. i dont need the hassle. ive got enough hassle in life as it is right now, this is the last thing i need. thats why i offered to let them void the bets and refund all my money and close my account. i just thought oh someones made a balls-up, free money why not take it. i cant believe the hassle its caused  |
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I'm sure if one of their owns bots had made the error they would suspend the market and would not mention suspending your account
it seems to me that somebody elses genuine screw up and your genuine bets taking advantage of it have triggered some automatic protection against fraud, match fixing, whatever and their system has sent the token email until the humans can investigate it properly. If you lose your profit I;d be surprised. if they suspend your account I'd be shocked |
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and i really hope they have the decency not to just accept your slightly silly offer of a full refund.
weren't you looking at a healthy profit? i wouldn't give that up without a figh. |
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Strong judder on the old bollocks-meter!
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it wasnt anything like as big as it looks, was about £1,600 profit on yankees and £5,700 on boston.
plus im about -3,000 +3,000 on san francisco. tbh ive completely lost any faith in them settling any of the bets as winners now and i dont want a 3 month wait to see what happens. id rather just get my money back and forget it. im currently busy doing up my flat, this really aint what i needed right now  |
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red for maybe hundred quid everywhere bf maybe less didnt chech volume. green for few grand on bd.?
gl ssb. FWIW noone went to jail in the story I heard. |
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If it weren't for the visible bets on betdak I'd have this down as a perfectly timed smear
but clearly something weird has happened. I suggest you say nothing more to them and see what they do next. And get a screenshot. |
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sry before i seen your figs.
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jail??? wtf!
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all the fraud threat nonsense... etc..
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if they dont give me my money back i might be going to jail for murder tbf
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Sounds like bd are a bit heavy handed when it comes to customer relations, but everything you've said Sideshowbob sounds above board, so just take some deep breaths while they look in to it. Don't let them off with a money back offer though, you've done nothing wrong, take what you're due, anything less would be wrong.
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The only non PC thread on here, and it's a horror story.
Sideshow If you've really done nothing wrong, and can hold on without an immediate refund, then just sit tight and insist on being paid out in full. Prices are there to be taken and that's all you did apparently. |
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yeah that looks like **** bot gone wrong. looks like you have got caught up in their overnight "ghost seeding".
have a look at the horse racing markets to get an idea of what they do, essentially overnight they will seed a market with approx £20k worth of transaction to make it look "active" |
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sideshowbob, I wouldn't be overly worried about this. Sounds pretty reasonable to me, even not being able to discuss it with you.
I would ask them when the investigation is expected to be completed and what the procedure is with regard to returning your funds and settling the bets. They should at least be able to tell you that. |
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sideshowbob, good luck with this. In my experience **** are not an open exchange like betfair, they have preferred customers and allegedly play markets themselves. This must make situations like this difficult for them to handle.
This probably doesn't help but I am a bot operator on here and an error in the betfair market details caused my bot to go bonkers one morning and some happy chappy helped themselves to 3k of my bank. I asked bf to void the markets because they had been unfairly manipulated but they weren't interested, the bets placed were my responsibility. I think this was a fair decision and it certainly resulted in some further safety checks being added!! |
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They haven't got a leg to stand on if you ask me. It's obviously their seeding bot that's made a costly mistake due to its poor programming. If it was another customer's bets they wouldn't give a toss but their seeding bot is quite vulnerable to getting cleaned up like this.
I had a very similar situation with them a while back. I was warned for "offering bets that were out of line with market prices" and had some voided "to protect other users". The funny thing was that the phone rang within 30 seconds of the bets being placed, so it was obviously their own bets, not another customer's. I can understand them trying to protect their operation, while seeding the markets to offer a viable alternative to bf and with the current PC hike, I'll need the d a q more than ever. When you throw in 2.5% comm instead of 60%, I'm prepared to forgive them quite a lot. |
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About the difference matched on bf and daq dont the calculate it in 2 ways if I bet 10£ on daq @ odds 300 then they show 3K matched on the market bf shows 10£
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Likewise for low odds, grombad. £1k at 1.01 shows as £2k matched here but only £1010 matched there.
fwiw, I think their calculation method gives the true matched figure. As such large amounts are often traded IR sub 1.1 and the majority of the betting is on the favourite, it's actually bf that shows an unrealistically high matched figure. |
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As has been said, it's probably someone else's bot gone haywire, meaning vastly more money than they would ever expect to see matched being traded, thus triggering off a money laundering warning. For heaven sake don't ask for the bets to be voided, just wait a few days, saying it will be completed next week is hardly unreasonable.
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@ 1.01 layer
i would say bf is more easy and true to see what is matched just divide by 2 on daq the money matched is impossible to see as its multiplied by the odds bet on so a 100£ bet on a odds 1000 will allready show 100k matched even only 100£ has been bet |
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Could be the OP has matched one of BD's own bots gone rogue.
I'm convinced BD arb between their site and here. |
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mmmmm
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I've done things like back a 35 shot at 1.03 by clicking the wrong selection in a two runner market, instantly losing thousands. I'm actually a little surprised that Betfair don't look into this kind of stuff as it surely looks very strange.
I'm fairly confident you will be ok, and I think the chance is high you'll get your winnings along with your stake back. Please keep us posted! |
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Knight Commander
Date Joined: 05 May 04 Add contact | Send message When: 02 Jul 11 14:22 Joined: Date Joined: 05 May 04 | Topic/replies: 9,165 | Blogger: Knight Commander's blog Could be the OP has matched one of BD's own bots gone rogue. I'm convinced BD arb between their site and here. I don't know why everyone's always saying that. I haven't seen evidence of that, but I'd like to hear why you think that this is the case. I believe there's a small number of bot operators doing this arbing independently. The reason I think this is that **** encourages winners to offer prices and penalises them for taking prices. With the new charging structure they introduced. So they think people are profiting too much by taking out of date prices. Exactly the opposite of Betfair where most big winners offer more than take. |
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Also, when **** introduced their own total goals market labeled as 'goals scored', I was comparing prices, and there was virtually no arbing going on, so I was able to profit from price discrepancies betting manually.
They don't seem to offer this market anymore. |
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****= purple of course
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TheInvestor2 02 Jul 11 14:35
I don't know why everyone's always saying that. I haven't seen evidence of that, but I'd like to hear why you think that this is the case. Because when I look at their site the prices on offer are nearly always worse than on here - both backing and laying. Can't do much to attract trade so leads me to the above conclusion. |
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any news on this? I would hope that you just had to wait for the relevant people to come to work on the Monday and everything would be sorted (and honoured).
V interested to hear the outcome |