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By:
askari1
When: 28 Jul 11 18:02
FATH, the company's ambitions have to be bigger than doing well in a relatively small niche in their home market and for their 'home' sport of horse racing.

This is not least because racing is becoming less and less popular as a betting medium, esp. among young people.

As I see it and pushing out the boat slightly, the scope for international expansion for bf lies not so much as being regulated as an independent provider in a succession of slightly different markets (each w/ diff. rules and fiscal regimes, catering to which all will eats up time and resources) as in partnering existing monopolies.

In all communications (w/ the City, with regulators, governments, customers etc.) the emphasis shd be on offering market-efficient prices, or in other words the best prices for price-takers.

Thus bf wd say to the City, why shd an alternative firm grow rather than us, when we provide better prices? And they wd say to a jurisdiction where betting is offered through a monopoly, why are you going to lose any betting revenue to illegal bookies when their price is worse than what you cd offer through us?

This wd be my vision for the company, and I wd stress that it looks 10-15 years into the future.

It's been blocked so far because of resistance among certain jurisdictions, who have thought that any competition is nothing but a drain on their own business, and by the establishments esp. of horse racing, who have understood the funding mechanism (that keeps them all enjoying a good living) as punters losing the most money possible. When you have sports standing on their own two feet more, or just underwritten by rich enthusiasts, becoming receptive to a growth and low-margin model, you are going to have a much better environment for making exchanges the default mode for setting odds.

I wd also revise the odds ladder in two-team sports to give bf more of a chance of offering best prices and offer better commission deals to non-traders (not clear how this cd be done, but e.g. through having diff. comm. rates for single bets within 10-15 min. periods).

My remark about having a small team at the top had to do w/ having e.g. a technical director who understood the question driving his work as 'how can we grow our revenues?', not e.g. 'how can we have a system that conceptualises increasing a customer's withdrawal limit as an event, like a matched bet is an event?' You want as few 'cowboys' as poss. for this and they all need to meet and report to one respected leader.
By:
nairda
When: 28 Jul 11 18:39
askari1

I think you're right on many level ..

I like to add, if betfair really does need to make a min of 40% (plus) from every account, then i really think betfair as a company is in big trouble
By:
askari1
When: 28 Jul 11 18:53
nairda, I doubt it does; and I also think some of the company's recent measures have been short-term and designed to improve its figs. for the benefit of managers and early investors realising the value of their contributions.

When it comes to working out the cost of attracting new customers, securing existing customers and growing their bet-sizes, retaining wavering customers etc., we are all, including the company, in the realms of speculation.

The factors to be considered involve regulatory change, taxation, the prices at which bf layers and MMs can operate, the popularity of sports etc.

But I'm pretty sure than 40% is pimping up some future projections.
By:
nairda
When: 30 Jul 11 19:29
11 July 2011  it purchased 120,000-The average price paid per share was 663.72 pence per share 
12 July 2011  it purchased 100,000-The average price paid per share was 669.78 pence per share 
13 July 2011  it purchased 97,477-The average price paid per share was 707.09 pence per share   
14 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 685.62 pence per share
15 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 648.17 pence per share 
18 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 626.74 pence per share
19 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 634.09 pence per share
20 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 648.13 pence per share
21 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 652.44 pence per share
25 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 654 pence per share

4,430,089   total shares 667,477   average price 663.71 pence per share

26 July 2011   it purchased 42,389-The average price paid per share was 669.39 pence per share 
27 July 2011   it purchased 34,094-The average price paid per share was 664.09 pence per share   
28 July 2011   it purchased 75,000-The average price paid per share was 657.91 pence per share

5,433,684     total shares 818,960 average price  663.49 pence
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 30 Jul 11 19:31
nairda
Haven't they already publicly declared that they intend to spend circa 50million in buying back shares ?
So what's the point of your post ?
By:
nairda
When: 30 Jul 11 19:36
yes 50 mil....i just like to post it on here for all to see each day Laugh
By:
Lori
When: 30 Jul 11 19:36
Thanks nairda, amazing scenes!
By:
nairda
When: 30 Jul 11 19:40
i hope betfair keep going...just keep buy all the free floating shares up, don't stop at 50 mil
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 30 Jul 11 20:13
Don't really see what's amazing about it tbh .
Just Messrs Black and Wray protecting their long term interests.
To be entirely expected perhaps ?.
By:
askari1
When: 30 Jul 11 21:58
They buy 97k at 707 pence and only 50k at 627 pence? What is their objective, to secure the best possible price or to reinflate their share price?

When I'm averaging down on a runner where I have a fundamental view, I seriously hope that I can do so better the bf management!
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 30 Jul 11 22:12
They just can't do anything right eh askari ?
By:
nairda
When: 30 Jul 11 22:15
betfair really can't buy more shares each day, because betfair is already buying between 25%-40% of the days volume
By:
here we go
When: 30 Jul 11 22:18
They are buying back the shares desperately trying to keep the share price up, and to satisfy the corporate investors.

In the end all the funds who dived into the shares during the IPO are pretty much **** and REALLY STUPID, like most wanne-be-investment bankers/ fund manangers.

They bought pretty much a tiny "blue" chip company (slow, but more or less steady growth) for the price of a dotcom or biotech company with a more or less promosing meds-portfolio.

The share price won't drop to zero like some morons suggest on here. It will move south until it more or less reflects the true earnings perspectives of bf
By:
Lori
When: 02 Aug 11 19:23
Hit 598 today for a while
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 02 Aug 11 20:33
I can't quite work out whether Lori is short and looking for the best exit price, or whether he has no position and is looking for the best entry price.
Or perhaps more likely he is just indulging in a bit of petty minded schadenfreude ?.
By:
Get On MASSIVE
When: 02 Aug 11 21:11
Probably a bit of "petty minded schadenfreude" I dare say.

Just like a lot of us. Blush
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 02 Aug 11 21:47
Not me.
Don't have a schadenfreude bone in my body.
My wife is German she has enough for both of us.
By:
stewarty b
When: 03 Aug 11 11:10
What was the issue price please? I thought it was £14?
By:
stewarty b
When: 03 Aug 11 11:27
It was £13*
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