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By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 16 Jul 11 09:48
" ---the average IQ of people who work in stocks and shares is slightly under 90 ".
Haven't come across that proven stat before.
Could well be right though.
Wonder what the average is on here ?
Maybe we shouldn't go there ?
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 16 Jul 11 09:50
Btw I think the stock mkt is more knackered up by the extremely high IQ participants than the low ones.
But of course I could be wrong.
By:
nairda
When: 16 Jul 11 11:51
Unfortunately fixed, the average IQ of people who work in stocks and shares is slightly under 90

Laugh
By:
dashero
When: 20 Jul 11 19:40
Betfair Group plc (the "Company") announces that in accordance with the authority granted by shareholders at the Company's Annual General Meeting on 6th October 2010 it purchased 50,000 of its Ordinary shares of 0.1 pence each ("shares") on 20 July 2011 for cancellation.


The average price paid per share was 648.13 pence per share.

The highest price paid per share was 654.5 pence per share.

The lowest price paid per share was 635 pence per share.


To date 567,477 shares have been repurchased under this authority.


Following the above transaction the Company has 107,548,556 shares in issue. This number represents the total voting rights in the Company and may be used by shareholders as the denominator for the calculations by which they can determine if they are required to notify their interest in, or a change to their interest in, the Company under the Financial Services Authority's Disclosure and Transparency Rules.
By:
here we go
When: 20 Jul 11 19:58
Don't agree Lori. Lot's of smart people digging deep into economics, but most of them don't end up at IBs as they are usually a bit to nerdy or just don't get along with the financial industry's culture [;)]
By:
dashero
When: 21 Jul 11 21:20
Betfair comments on EC opinion reveals new USP
Eric Bianchi
July 19, 2011
0 Comments and 3 Reactions
Like most opinions issued in Europe on gambling, there are gaming companies lining up to have their say. The alpha male of this group is usually a company that has had a fairly woeful last eight months, Betfair. The latest comments issued by European Union (EU) regulators concern Germany’s new draft law on gambling and accordingly Betfair has had its say. The statement in full from the company’s chief legal and regulatory affairs officer, Martin Cruddace, was as follows:

“From the very outset it was clear to us that the proposals put forward by the German Laender were discriminatory, anti-competitive and therefore incompatible with EU law. We are therefore pleased and encouraged to learn today that the European Commission shares this same opinion.”

“Although the federal states claim to be opening up the market for sports betting, the current draft treaty contained a raft of protectionist measures designed to keep private online operators out of the market.

“We now expect the German draft law to be amended so that it genuinely caters for a competitive online gambling market in Germany, and will subsequently ensure the highest standards of value, integrity and security for German consumers.

“As a responsible operator committed to transparency and integrity, Betfair hopes to obtain a licence in the newly regulated German market, and we view today’s action from the Commission as a significant step towards us achieving this goal.”

It’s nothing more than a reiteration of their earlier opinion that the law is discriminatory and anti-competitive. Although, now the regulators have agreed with their earlier point that it is incompatible with European Union (EU) law so it carries infinitely more weight. It does raise the question if this is Betfair’s new unique selling point. The “we-comment-on-everything-first” USP.
By:
thankyoumugs
When: 21 Jul 11 21:36
im not sure about the divi payout, think its a good time to buy in, current price £6.53, thats a bargain if you have grand going spare, only to speculate,i would sell at £7.75
By:
dashero
When: 22 Jul 11 09:21
Are betfair they only people buying betfair shares???

Betfair Group PLC : - Repurchase of Ordinary Shares
Betfair Group plc (the "Company") announces that in accordance with the authority granted by shareholders at the Company's Annual General Meeting on 6th October 2010 it purchased 50,000 of its Ordinary shares of 0.1 pence each ("shares") on 21 July 2011 for cancellation.


The average price paid per share was 652.44 pence per share.

The highest price paid per share was 658 pence per share.

The lowest price paid per share was 644 pence per share.


To date 617,477 shares have been repurchased under this authority.


Following the above transaction the Company has 107,498,556 shares in issue. This number represents the total voting rights in the Company and may be used by shareholders as the denominator for the calculations by which they can determine if they are required to notify their interest in, or a change to their interest in, the Company under the Financial Services Authority's Disclosure and Transparency Rules.
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 22 Jul 11 10:21
As a responsible operator committed to transparency and integrity, Betfair hopes to obtain a licence in the newly regulated German market, and we view today’s action from the Commission as a significant step towards us achieving this goal.

LaughLaughLaughLaugh

If only the Germans new.
By:
dashero
When: 23 Jul 11 08:13
Betfair looks to regain its winning streak
The City is wondering if the betting exchange has lost its way, and not just its CEO, since last year's IPO



Betfair's name will be up in lights today as the sponsor of the King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes in which last year's Derby winner, Workforce, will seek to bounce back from his recent defeat against four top class rivals.

The £1m midsummer highlight of the British flat racing season will see the company's branding prominently displayed on the BBC, which is broadcasting the event. And it will hope to gain from some positive PR from the race. The day will, in other words, afford the betting exchange a brief respect from the wolves who are pursuing it in the City.

It wasn't so long ago that Betfair was carrying all before it, revolutionising the betting industry and frightening the life out of the bookies. But times have changed and the company is now seeking a new chief executive to pull it out of what one analyst described as "a perfect storm".

Firstly there are its rivals which, after spending years fruitlessly complaining about the exchange's treatment by the tax and regulatory authorities, have done what they arguably should have done all along by turning up the competitive heat.

Meanwhile the exchange's recent decision to follow betting companies offshore is unlikely to benefit it for long. This week the Treasury unveiled a review of gambling taxation which will likely force all offshore online operators to pay the same 15 per cent tax on gross profits that land-based operators have to pony up. This follows the decision by John Penrose, the minister responsible for gambling, to require firms taking bets from UK citizens obtain a licence from the Gambling Commission.

The operation's international expansion strategy has also been called into question by various countries apparently moving to close the doors to betting exchanges.

Initially, Betfair's long anticipated flotation last October was a success, with the shares racing ahead after they were priced at £13 (valuing the company at £1.4bn). They were chased up to a high of £16.10 amid frenzied demand. Since then, however, it's been all downhill and yesterday they closed at just 658p.

Financial statements since the company joined the markets have singularly failed to impress. In June, Betfair said "core" revenues grew by just 7.8 per cent for the year ending 30 April. That wasn't enough for investors, given the shares' lofty rating.

The figures were released just days after chief executive David Yu announced plans to step down – one of a number of senior figures to depart in recent months. Insiders argue that while Mr Yu is a whizz when it comes to technology, his communication skills are less stellar.

BGC Partners' partner David Buik, a City veteran who has had stints in the gambling industry, says he remains a fan of Betfair but argues that the company has work to do. "What they really need to do is hire a chief executive with communications skills who can explain the strategy to the market and get investors back on side. A City veteran, not necessarily from the gambling industry, who can also provide the leadership the company needs."

Mr Buik also raises questions about the position of Ed Wray, one of Betfair's co-founders, as chairman. "Betfair needs a new broom. It will be appointing a new CEO, but needs a new chairman who commands the respect of analysts to get the Betfair message across. Currently it has fallen on deaf ears."

Analysts say that the company needs more than that. They argue that there are structural problems that need to be addressed. And fast.

Paul Leyland, Investec's gambling analyst, has a sell rating on the shares even at their current depressed level. He says: "I'm concerned that given their cost base it will be difficult to make money in a taxed UK environment and difficult for them to do in Europe on a regulated basis too. It's unclear that their current business model is appropriate. Operationally they don't have much room to maneuver and from a regulatory standpoint they are being squeezed in their most profitable markets."

James Hollins, at Evolution Securities, is less bearish and has shifted to neutral on the shares after being an early seller. But he also says that Betfair has deep-seated strategic problems. "The question they have to answer is should they be spending a shed load of money chasing international expansion or whether they should focus on their UK business – which is, after all, a very good business – and take advantage of those international opportunities that do exist. If they do this they have to take some costs out and stop running it as an enormous business with all those people in Hammersmith."

What stops Mr Hollins from turning more bullish on Betfair is that "no one knows what the strategic decision is". With the chief executive an unknown (Mr Yu remains in post until a successor if found) it will probably be left to Mr Wray. But will his pride prevent him from performing a volte face at a time when operations such as Paddy Power, William Hill and Bet365 are snapping at his heels with compelling online offerings of their own?

All the same, it's probably too early to call time on Betfair as a contender for the corporate Derby just yet.

Head of communications Tessa Murray accepts that the company has work to do, but says: "We're obviously disappointed by the share price performance – it's due to a combination of factors, some down to us and some facing the sector as a whole – which is why our peer group has fallen by 20 per cent on average.

"We've made some improvements to the business but the fundamentals remain unchanged – we offer the best prices and the exchange is more popular than ever – there were 20 per cent more bets matched year on year – a record 916 million. Plus, we are a growing business in a growing market with no debt and £150m on our balance sheet. We set out a plan at our results last month showing how we're going to deliver shareholder value – through top line growth, margin improvement and return of excess cash to shareholders."

That includes integrating its sportsbook – where Betfair acts as a bookie – with the betting exchange, which matches people making bets with people laying them. This will allow people wanting to take an early price on, for example, a horse race to get on before the exchange's market is fully formed (which can take some time for minor races). Instead of punters setting the price, Betfair will do it.

Ms Murray argues that while regulatory doors have apparently been shutting, things can change very fast. And sentiment can change very quickly. Take those taxation changes. They may yet make life difficult for smaller, weaker online and telephone bookies who rely on their low tax offshore locations to turn a profit.

Betfair is still a thoroughbred: while it needs a new jockey, it is still at the races alongside Ladbrokes and William Hill.

How the bookies fought back

*The exchange loudly trumpets that its prices are 20 per cent better (on average) than bookmakers' starting prices. Betfair also enables punters to "lay" horses to lose as well as backing them to win. And then there's the revolution of betting "in running" while a sporting event is under way.

Well, in terms of pricing, bookmakers have worked out a very punter-friendly offer: the "guaranteed price". Let's say you back a horse at 5-1 but the odds drift and the starting price is declared at 10-1. With the guaranteed price the bookmaker will pay you at 10-1. If the price comes in to say 2-1, no problem. You'll get still the 5-1 at which you placed the bet.

Most bookies also now offer betting "in running" (particularly good for football or cricket). But the ability to "lay" is still unique to Betfair – and the prices you can get on outsiders still make its offer potentially compelling.

THE INDEPENDENT
By:
Lori
When: 23 Jul 11 09:04
the ability to "lay" is still unique to Betfair

This always winds me up. Not only is it not unique to Betfair, but it never was.

Maybe it's unique on the scale that Betfair do it, but people talk like they were the first. Which is clearly ridiculous.
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 23 Jul 11 11:01
frightening the life out of the bookies

LaughLaughLaugh

The old phrase "like being savaged by a dead sheep" comes to mind.


What they really need to do is hire a chief executive with communications skills who can explain the strategy to the market and get investors back on side. A City veteran, not necessarily from the gambling industry,

The last thing they need is another half witted city delusional.
By:
dashero
When: 25 Jul 11 09:07
Betfair enters German football sponsorship market
25 Jul 11
Having already dismissed Germany’s current proposals for its new State Treaty on Gaming as incompatible with European law, online betting exchange Betfair has entered into the German football sponsorship market for the first time following a deal with fourth division side Türkiyemspor Berlin.

Betfair will sponsor Türkiyemspor for the forthcoming season, with the company’s logo displayed on the front of the club’s football shirts. The sponsorship agreement is initially for a one year period, with an option for renewal.

“Our partnership with Betfair in the new season is an important and successful step for us,” said Yalcin Sancar, chairman of Türkiyemspor Berlin. “We are leaving behind the disappointment of last season. We must lay the foundation for a successful and sustainable future together – we must build that future together for the success of Türkiyemspor.

“Signing a sponsorship contract with an internationally successful organisation is another important step in multi-cultural bridge building for Türkiyemspor and it is a sign of our appeal.”

Founded in 1978, Türkiyemspor is a multi-cultural sports club recognised for its contribution to Germany’s immigrant communities, specifically within the Turkish community. Working with the German Football Association, Türkiyemspor paved the way for teams rooted in the country's various immigrant communities to participate in first and second division football in Germany.

The club currently plays in the Regionalliga Nord, the fourth tier of the German football league system, and the highest regional league for the northern and eastern part of Germany.

“Türkiyemspor has worked hard both in the field of athleticism and in working for tolerance and integration within and beyond the local community,” said Betfair’s regional manager of Germany and Central Europe Peter Reinhardt. “For us they are more than a football club. We specifically chose to sign with a sports club and not a professional football club.

“Without a foundation of sports clubs like this, there would be no professional football clubs. We are very pleased to be the new sponsors of such a special sports club and for the role we will play in helping this club move forward from the troubles of last season.”

Last week the standstill period for Germany’s new draft law on gambling was extended for a further month following receipt of detailed opinions from the European Commission and Malta, as well as the issue of comments from the United Kingdom. The move was welcomed by Betfair, which had earlier filed a legal complaint with the European Commission against the new German draft State Treaty on Gaming.
By:
Total Bosman
When: 25 Jul 11 16:08
Cracking stuff from the head of communication, there:  "we offer the best prices".

No, YOU do not.  Your customers do.  And many of the market-making customers who compete to offer these best prices are being priced out or forced to tighten up, weakening this competition.  Does anyone at Betfair understand what an exchange even is any more?

Will their own sportsbook really maintain these best prices?  I doubt it.  So the key selling point they are still emphasising is the very point they are weakening.
By:
ballabriggs
When: 25 Jul 11 17:04
Is better to take best prices on Betfair even if peoples then lose 60% of winning.  Peoples should listen to Betfair communications person he is right.
By:
nairda
When: 25 Jul 11 17:27
it not better even at 3%  for soccer, baseball, NFL, NBA
By:
dashero
When: 25 Jul 11 19:11
Betfair Group PLC : - Repurchase of Ordinary Shares
Betfair Group plc (the "Company") announces that in accordance with the authority granted by shareholders at the Company's Annual General Meeting on 6th October 2010 it purchased 50,000 of its Ordinary shares of 0.1 pence each ("shares") on 25 July 2011 for cancellation.


The average price paid per share was 654 pence per share.

The highest price paid per share was 658 pence per share.

The lowest price paid per share was 648 pence per share.


To date 667,477 shares have been repurchased under this authority.


Following the above transaction the Company has 107,456,521 shares in issue. This number represents the total voting rights in the Company and may be used by shareholders as the denominator for the calculations by which they can determine if they are required to notify their interest in, or a change to their interest in, the Company under the Financial Services Authority's Disclosure and Transparency Rules.
By:
the big bossman
When: 25 Jul 11 19:20
read that last week good for them sell shares for 13 buy them back half price,they hopeing goes back up for more profit.
By:
jjjjj
When: 25 Jul 11 19:56
they are ripping their customers 40 to 60% to sponsor fourth division side Türkiyemspor?!? you gotta be kidding me!
By:
nairda
When: 25 Jul 11 20:17
11 July 2011  it purchased 120,000-The average price paid per share was 663.72 pence per share 
12 July 2011  it purchased 100,000-The average price paid per share was 669.78 pence per share 
13 July 2011  it purchased 97,477-The average price paid per share was 707.09 pence per share   
14 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 685.62 pence per share
15 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 648.17 pence per share 
18 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 626.74 pence per share
19 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 634.09 pence per share
20 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 648.13 pence per share
21 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 652.44 pence per share
25 July 2011  it purchased 50,000-The average price paid per share was 654 pence per share

4,430,089   total shares 667,477   average price 663.71 pence per share
By:
hazel
When: 25 Jul 11 20:58
AS posted elsewhere, Yu and Morana aint doing to bad out of it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jul/25/betfair-bosses-huge-pay-increases?utm_source=web&utm_medium=twitter
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 25 Jul 11 22:02
They would be a helluva lot better though if the share price was going up.
Apparently their pay packages include a substantisl no. of nil cost options, but what is the strike price ?
Anybody know ?
By:
dashero
When: 26 Jul 11 20:39
Betfair shares are in demand...by betfair

Betfair Group PLC : - Repurchase of Ordinary Shares
Betfair Group plc (the "Company") announces that in accordance with the authority granted by shareholders at the Company's Annual General Meeting on 6th October 2010 it purchased 42,389 of its Ordinary shares of 0.1 pence each ("shares") on 26 July 2011 for cancellation.


The average price paid per share was 669.39 pence per share.

The highest price paid per share was 674 pence per share.

The lowest price paid per share was 650.5 pence per share.


To date 709,866 shares have been repurchased under this authority.


Following the above transaction the Company has 107,415,780 shares in issue. This number represents the total voting rights in the Company and may be used by shareholders as the denominator for the calculations by which they can determine if they are required to notify their interest in, or a change to their interest in, the Company under the Financial Services Authority's Disclosure and Transparency Rules.
By:
dashero
When: 26 Jul 11 20:40
Upgrading the exchange


25 JULY 2011 
Online betting exchange Betfair is midway through an infrastructure upgrade designed to support business growth
Betfair’s online betting exchange is among the UK’s most successful technological innovations of the recent era. Allowing gamblers to agree odds with one another, even during the course of a sporting event, it is today the largest betting exchange in the world, supporting more trades each day than all of Europe’s stock exchanges put together.

In October last year, the company was launched on the London Stock Exchange, raising more than £200 million (Betfair has since issued a share buy-back scheme to appease disappointed investors).

Before the initial public offering took place, Betfair had laid out a three-year plan to upgrade its technical architecture. According to software development director Hugh Fahy, the injection of funds has not led to an IT spending spree – the extra scrutiny of the public market has instead solidified its focus on that plan. “That’s been useful, because it has reduced the chance of us overextending ourselves as we redevelop our core platform,” he says.

One of the key components of the platform upgrade is to extend the use of service-oriented architecture principles.

As Betfair’s business began to take off around 2005, Fahy explains, its priority was to make sure that the betting exchange worked as reliably as possible. It therefore built supplementary functionality, such as the customer’s online wallet, to be tightly integrated with the exchange.

In recent years, however, the company has branched out into services including online poker and arcade games. Although customers can use their winnings from the exchange on these services, the fact that the wallet is tightly coupled to the exchange means that their ability to play might be constrained by their betting position – not ideal when Betfair wants to encourage customers to use as many services as possible.

This is one reason why the company is redesigning its core platform according to SOA principles. When the wallet functionality is supported by separate services from the exchange, gamblers will have greater freedom to spend their money.

Global Growth
Another reason is international expansion. Although betting exchanges are banned in most US states, New Jersey and California have recently passed laws permitting some forms of exchange wagering.

To tap these markets, Betfair has to introduce new, separate exchanges tailored to each state’s regulatory restrictions. However, it does not want to build separate wallet functionality for each exchange, for example, and a service-based approach allows it to reuse its existing assets.

The company has therefore implemented three new SOA components: a service container (or repository), a service look-up (or registry) and a ‘publish/subscribe’ messaging framework. The latter is based on Progress Software’s Sonic MQ messaging system, and Fahy describes it as the ‘event handler’. “Our system generates a whole bunch of events – matching a bet, a customer changing their loss limits, or an account being locked or suspended,” he says.

Part of the reason for selecting Sonic MQ, Fahy says, is that it can compensate for degraded network quality. Betfair has nine data centres around the world, and many of them are in locations where the wide area network (WAN) is not always reliable.

The first use of the messaging framework is to satisfy the Italian gambling regulator, which is introducing regulation of betting exchanges this year. Unlike countries such as the UK, where the Gambling Commission audits betting companies periodically, Italy’s regulator creates a unique ticket for every bet that is placed in the country, in real time. So each time a bet is matched on Betfair’s exchange in Italy, the company will soon have to inform the regulator that very minute.

The business that would have been lost in Italy without it was enough to justify the entire investment, says Fahy.
By:
RAPS
When: 27 Jul 11 13:32
Anyone buying ?
Last traded 7.26 € here (circa 640p)
By:
jas1968
When: 27 Jul 11 22:08
selling more like , the only ones buying are Betfair
By:
nairda
When: 27 Jul 11 22:18
that true,   volume today was 75,356 shares and betfair purchased 34,094 of there own shares today
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 27 Jul 11 22:43
That's when you usually do try to buy your own shares ( a low volume day).
Geez there are some real heavyweight stock analysts/corporate financiers on here.
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 27 Jul 11 22:50
Also I can understand the occasional mistype of "there" for "their", but always as seems often on here and elsewhere?
Not important in the big picture I know, but could it be indicative of anything else perhaps ?.
Or is my nitpicking just indicative of something else ?
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 28 Jul 11 10:07
Betfair investors on Tuesday shrugged off the news that two senior executives had received massive pay increases last year, despite the company's dramatic post-flotation share-price decline.

By close of business, trading in Betfair shares had reached 669.5p, showing a gain of 16p from Monday's closing price of 653.5p and lifting their valuation by 2.45 percent.

Reversal of the downward trend came only hours after shareholders had received copies of Betfair's first annual report as a public company, following last year's sale of shares at £13, which valued the company at £1.4 billion.

The report revealed that David Yu, who recently announced he will step down as chief executive next year, and finance director Stephen Morana, who has declared he does not want to be considered for Yu's job, benefited significantly from a one-off incentive plan associated with the stock market flotation.

Yu more than doubled his pay packet and Morana's payments increased more than threefold under a cash and shares incentive plan brought in for senior employees and executive directors, of which only they come into the latter bracket.
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Jul 11 10:35
it is today the largest betting exchange in the world, supporting more trades each day than all of Europe’s stock exchanges put together.

&


The company has therefore implemented three new SOA components: a service container (or repository), a service look-up (or registry) and a ‘publish/subscribe’ messaging framework. The latter is based on Progress Software’s Sonic MQ messaging system, and Fahy describes it as the ‘event handler’. “Our system generates a whole bunch of events – matching a bet, a customer changing their loss limits, or an account being locked or suspended,” he says.



no problems here then. i'm certain Sonic MQ's software has been implemented at other sites with greater volume than betfair and has performed above expectations.

Shocked


here's my idea:

betfair should take all the Premium Charge payers money collected at rates above 20% and create a market for whether or not they'll meet their customer commitment to site uptime. they should put lays up at prices which are representative of their meeting their customer commitment of 99.9% uptime on the site.

no PC would be payable on winnings on this market.

that seems fair to me.
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 28 Jul 11 11:09
They've spent fortunes on a system that just isn't required to match two people who want to bet (in fact it makes it more difficult and complex for them) but offers sublime support for the parasitic acitivities that have created the bulk of the winners that they now say are draining the exchange.   


If they ran the NHS 99% of resources would be spent on hypochondriacs and their solution to the problem would include charging sick people for operations they had to wait an extra 18 months for.
By:
DStyle
When: 28 Jul 11 11:24
i agree; although in the process they have developed a significant number of technological assets.
By:
nairda
When: 28 Jul 11 11:41
That's when you usually do try to buy your own shares ( a low volume day).
Geez there are some real heavyweight stock analysts/corporate financiers on here.


Really...it was a low trading day on betfair shares?, what's the ave trading Volume for betfair shares? or you don't know sh!t?

betfair is buying around 50% of their own shares each day
By:
RAPS
When: 28 Jul 11 13:30
Anyone like to comment on what price they would consider BF`s share a value buy ?

eg. Would it be worth a thought at 500p ?
By:
hazel
When: 28 Jul 11 13:41
As betfair are currently buying back their shares, does that mean that now is a good time to be a buyer, or would the buy back be propping up their share price?
By:
Martinch
When: 28 Jul 11 13:52
their buying should be having a positive effect on share price (propping up)

BUT it also suggests that they believe the shares are cheapish (otherwise they could buy them back later at an event better price)
By:
nairda
When: 28 Jul 11 15:53
betfair buying their shares, should mean that the price per 1 betfair share should go up in value...but when betfair is buying 50% of the turnover per day, that not a good sign
By:
askari1
When: 28 Jul 11 17:15
The danger is that buying back the shares is an attempt to salvage the original vision (as sold to corporate investors) that bf was a technology company.

Online and person-to-person technology has come up with paradigm-bursting applications in any number of fields. It was not for investors and investment bank analysts to know that this was not going to happen in gaming (at least in the sense that the person to person company, bf, was not going to outstrip and eclipse the high st operators).

Bf now have to go through a Damascene moment of accepting that the float price was inflated and that they are just another gaming company in a crowded market. They have to lose the execs who are wedded to the technology vision (and the float price); they have dramatically to shed headcount, esp. among senior managers and they need a small, cohesive team at the top who share of an understanding of what bf is and where it can pursue future avenues for growth.

I feel they too many individuals, esp. technical staff, are personally invested in running a big dept. and do not have aims congruent with those of the company's best interests (this isn't aimed at particular people, I hasten to add; it's just a consequence of what happens when a company grows revenues at an early stage and reinvests too widely).
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 28 Jul 11 17:23
Askari
Seems like quite a pretty succinctand accurate analysis to me.
I would be interested to hear an expansion of your thoughts on
"---- a cohesive team at the top who share an understanding of what bf is ---".
Is it just being an alternative to the HS bookies, with all that such simplistically entails ( not being banned, ir betting, laying big fields easily and quickly etc etc)?
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