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By:
TownMoor
When: 22 Jan 08 09:36
She has just won 6-4 6-0, Jankovic also won so 2 of FS's lays have cost him. Tsonga to play shortly. I'm sure it is merely a blip, these things happen.
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 09:46
morning gents

Jankovic -540

Tsonga

Sharapova -252


how's tricks
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 09:48
ur up early tha morn....

I went off at 4.15, up 7.30 what aboot u?
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 09:49
2 dogs won..

Wta is killing me with al these underdogs winning shock after shock..

be alright though, normal service resumed next week.
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 09:53
see Bobby has done some research..
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 09:54
Which Bobby?
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 09:56
how far did u go back bobby

and what were the results..??

1) how many lays

2) lowest price

3) highest price

4) p/l over that period..
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 09:56
Daz - which data u usin? Ivor or what came after?
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 09:56
drastic daz...
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 09:57
Daz = Bobby
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 09:58
yep
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 09:59
Bobby dazzler......

Bit slow this morn soz...
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:00
aye..
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:16
u can see which ones for today roughly

however i need my bed after the tennis

will u be about mate ??
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:17
if not we can cross ref later
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 10:19
fancy an hour shut eye meself....will go thru sum data lata from december at or around when bf sp started (prices more accurate than guessing likely overlay)
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:21
ok mate

superb

bobby is gonna be here in an hr..

if i'm not here i'll catch up later..
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:21
i want some kip then get up for african cup of nations
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 10:22
Lata....can't wait to see daz'z data
By:
Bradders
When: 22 Jan 08 10:23
Had a little looksie at this one.. If I got your idea right there was 1 losing lay on Sunday but only @ 9/4 if I understand it correctly!! Rest of the horses lost tho. As I say, if I got the general gist of it right!
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:23
might be better to do it over e mail :)
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:23
how far did u go back ??
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 10:25
Bradders....nice one.

Be careful on sundays mate, though worth a look obviously.

Fs I'll post an addy lata that i use for this kind of thing, then u can mail me and i'll mail back on my normal addy.
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:25
ok spot on

was a weeks worth bradders ??
By:
Drastic Daz
When: 22 Jan 08 10:26
Hi guys, will be back in an hour or so, i basically only went back about 5 weeks, didnt really look at the BF SP except for the losing bets that i had which all tended to be below 12.0 in price.

I have detailed it all in an excel document but its on my home computer so cant forward it onto here as yet.

I used the system a bit like ivors but have adapted it to suit some specific requirements, i looked at not laying horses with highest RPR, TPSPD, and 2 high achieving newspapers, but then found another bit of info which seemed to help with the picking of specific races.

I looked into mr massey's site to see if i could adapt some of the races in which i lost in, a pattern seemed to appear in the losing races, ie (amounts of horses in race, weight of horse, previous runs) some of it makes very interesting reading!!!

Im not saying that this system could prove to be value over a prolonged period of time but so far after just under 5 weeks it has achieved wonders!!!
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 10:27
I'll wait for that yay!
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:27
mmmm

so you checked ivors theory then and not what came later..
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:28
RPR, TPSPD, and 2 high achieving newspapers

that's what u checked it against then ???
By:
Drastic Daz
When: 22 Jan 08 10:29
sorry, didnt mean to type 12.0 as the average losing odds, i had one horse lose at 10/1 SP but the majority of the otherlosers fell under 4/1 SP.

Will type a bit more later, get some shuteye guys, looks like you all had a long night!!!
By:
m535i
When: 22 Jan 08 10:30
Ivors theory is ** brilliant for backing in maiden stakes, big profit backing, sh yte for laying.....he must have some filters for laying.

In the small sample I used it was handicaps that made most profit. But it was a small sample
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:30
later bobby

read above in case u never saw what came later..
By:
Footsoldiers
When: 22 Jan 08 10:30
catch ye's later..
By:
Bradders
When: 22 Jan 08 10:31
Only did Sunday so far FS... got to do SOME work today I'm afraid :-( Will get there I'm sure!!

This is just using the basic idea of tipsters mentioned on the last page or two, no filters, etc... I used Sporting Life for prices rather than BFSP.

7 races. Min price the 9/4 winner. Max 12/1. Max runners 12, min runners 6.
By:
Drastic Daz
When: 22 Jan 08 10:32
FS- Not agains 2 top newspapers, more like all of the newspapers, even if 1 paper tipped a horse i tried to eliminate that horse.

Out of the first 4/5 horses in a race, after eliminating the criteria above i was always left with one horse to lay at odds of SP less than 12.0.

If i wasnt left with a horse i would eliminate that race. Worked well over larger fields but obviously the smaller fields were slightly affected by this criteria
By:
lewy
When: 22 Jan 08 11:33
Just for fun FS was up all last night looking at the theory, absolutely knackered this morning but have gone 52 races back so far with only 2 losing bets (winners) wil be going back as far as the RP historical tips will let me and will also be trailing it as of today. Will keep you guys posted.
By:
REM
When: 22 Jan 08 11:36
Looks like a busy morning on a quiet day's punting.

Interesting what's being discussed here. I have a very successful flat hcap selection (backing) method that has a large number of criteria (and RPR is one of them).

Funny thing is everytime I try to reverse it I still can't create a decent laying system (I think it separates the very good from the good, but not the bad from the ordinary). Was going to be a winter project in time for the new season. Perhaps I ought to make a start on while the action is slow.
By:
chutney ferret
When: 22 Jan 08 11:53
Hello chaps sorry to butt in on this thread have been reading it but not really had anything to add but im off work today so got a bit more time on here.Anyway the topic you are on about now i think the 4 tipsters are Spotlight,rpr,Postdata and the daily star.Hope this helps.
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 22 Jan 08 12:07
not the best start ! :(
By:
lewy
When: 22 Jan 08 12:09
same here m8, lol
By:
grumpy1
When: 22 Jan 08 12:12
Depends. According to the Rp tissue, the lay was Blakehall Quest at 8/1. On Betfair over 25/1. If you were to follow this it would have been ok but don't fancy laying at that high a price. Maybe got stung on gamble. 16s into 5s.
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