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Baxter-11
19 Nov 09 10:41
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Has anyone ever tried this betting system. Backing favs at odds over 6/4

Fibonacci Sequence

This staking plan is based on the Fibonacci sequence of numbers first devised by an Italian mathematician in the 12th century and as with the earlier D alambert system, the Fibonacci sequence took it name from its inventor. Some people profess that the Fibonacci sequence can form the basis of a very efficient staking plan, especially when it comes to horse racing.
The Fibonacci Sequence works by adding the two previous numbers in the Fibonacci Sequence to get the next stake, ie 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34.

With the Fibonacci Sequence your bets go up one step with each loss and you reduce your bets in the Fibonacci Sequence, down 2 steps with each win. Note that every win with the Fibonacci sequence pays for the two losses before it.

Worked example for the Fibonacci sequence:

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By:
buzzer
When: 19 Nov 09 10:44
39 steps would be interesting
By:
The Betfairy
When: 19 Nov 09 10:47
What did 12th Century Italians know about football?
By:
HARRY22
When: 19 Nov 09 10:51
what do the experts know about football??
By:
Baxter-11
When: 19 Nov 09 10:54
so what does anyone know about this system.
I thinking that you could be on a 10 losing streak and not into big money, but then it gets hairy..
would the wins be able to compensate for the big 10 loss
By:
The Betfairy
When: 19 Nov 09 10:56
Personally, I don't like anyone telling me how much to bet, especially the inventor of a useless mathematical calculation.
By:
Baxter-11
When: 19 Nov 09 11:03
The Betfairy 19 Nov 11:56


Personally, I don't like anyone telling me how much to bet, especially the inventor of a useless mathematical calculation.

Read up about Fibonacci sequence and then call it a useless mathematical calculation

a aa sss eeee hhhh ooooo llllll eeeee
By:
Moon Light
When: 19 Nov 09 11:06
From Wikipedia:
In mathematics, the Fibonacci numbers are the numbers in the following sequence:

0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144 .

By definition, the first two Fibonacci numbers are 0 and 1, and each remaining number is the sum of the previous two. Some sources omit the initial 0, instead beginning the sequence with two 1s.
By:
The Betfairy
When: 19 Nov 09 11:09
O deary me. Here we go again :(
By:
SHAPESHIFTER
When: 19 Nov 09 11:24
Hmmm, a staking plan that has the potential of draining your account of 87 TIMES the original stake you put down.

So if someone had an account with £300 and was comfortable wagering 3%, they would have to reload two times and have £30 left after the 8th loss.

Also, this staking plan does not bring into account if the person bets 4/6 or 2/1 or ???


ridicolo
By:
gus
When: 19 Nov 09 11:26
so long as you start at step 0 of Fibonacci Sequence you should be fairly safe :)
By:
1.01 Layer
When: 19 Nov 09 11:35
Express train to the poor house. All aboard!
By:
JamesBlakesHugeArse
When: 19 Nov 09 11:36
martingale with a twist...ooooooooooooo

and just as bad
By:
I am the one and only223
When: 19 Nov 09 11:46
1 If you have an edge, you will very likely make a profit over the long term whatever your staking system ,assuming the stakes will remain a reasonable size.

2 If you don't have an edge, you will very likely not make a profit over the long term whatever your staking system.

If you just blindly back favourites over 6/4 then I reckon you will fall under 2.

To learn about the likely result of such an approach, I can recommend the thread "MY GREAT SYSTEM" by kenniky.
By:
aye robot
When: 19 Nov 09 11:47
Fibonacci was a propper mathematical genius and his famous sequence has all kinds of intersting properties and uses- but this is NOT one of them. Leave well alone.
By:
Baxter-11
When: 19 Nov 09 12:52
Lets suppose you had a bank of 1000 starting
and backing only 6/4 +
your bets would be as follows

Bet No1 5 culumitive loss 5
5 10
10 20
15 35
25 60
40 100
65 165
105 250
170 440
Bet No10 275 715

Assuming bet 10 came in at 2/1 x 275 = 550 less 5%=27= 523 - 440 of losses = 83 profit

Hope my maths are right

Bax
By:
BillKiller
When: 19 Nov 09 13:10
Has anyone here seen Kelly?
By:
Big Charlie
When: 19 Nov 09 14:25
K
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DOUBLE L
Y
By:
Back 2
When: 19 Nov 09 14:30
Kelly from the Emerald Isle :)
By:
Big Charlie
When: 19 Nov 09 14:37
We sang 'From The Isle Of Man' when I was a kid :)
By:
cabbage
When: 19 Nov 09 20:52
one born every minute
By:
88
When: 20 Nov 09 00:49
**ingloser
By:
Moon Light
When: 20 Nov 09 01:05
He's been on here since May 2002!
By:
SHAPESHIFTER
When: 20 Nov 09 10:31
Moon Light, I noticed that as well ??!?!!?
By:
getting better
When: 20 Nov 09 15:50
Yes I have used something similar Baxter in my youth, the concept is similar to Martingale but it's more fun and the stakes escalate less rapidly when you have a bad run.
By:
£10,000000
When: 20 Nov 09 16:20
tried it also in my youth...... works sometimes .......leaves you potless others.....dont bother.....10% of bank staking plan was the future for me......works....................
By:
pipedreamer
When: 20 Nov 09 19:09
HOW ABOUT THE REVERSE CASINO SYSTEM.?
By:
Baxter-11
When: 21 Nov 09 11:42
Could you use the Fib Sequance for laying ????
By:
aamb01
When: 09 Aug 10 02:42
Hey guys! 

Long time betfair user first time forum poster!

Normally I would recommend staying well clear of any loss recovery staking plan - Fibonacci, Martingale, Anti-Martingale, etc - as this can become ridiculous on a bad run.  This can be especially costly in sports betting as, unlike casino games and their table limits, the only restraint is your personal finances.  Any missguided confidence in these systems could be dangerous.

However!!!  I do use a very similar system that gives me an excellent steady profit month after month!  I use a small sequence of Fibonacci - 1,2,3,5,1.. stopping at a winner and starting the entire sequence again, and never going further than 5 points.  (The sceptics amongst you could even use a sequence of 1,1.5,2,3,1...) I use this with 3 types of football betting - doubles, singles and lays.  All bets have to be around even odds.  I currently use £50 per unit and profit approx 15 points minimum per month. 

If you are starting out I would recommend starting with £5 per unit and a starting bank of 22 units.  Be prepared for the odd losing sequence as they do occur, but ultimately it is down to your team selection!  Dont be gready!

More about my bets -

Doubles - My doubles are very simple!  I select two of the strongest football teams that are playing lowly opposition.  Teams like Man Utd, Chelsea, Inter, Porto, Barcelona,etc.  Odds of 1.5 are suffice as the double will have odds over evens.  This is my favourite of my bets and I have not had a losing sequence in over 2 years with this.

Singles - I usualy go for away teams that are playing well, obviouse really.

Lays - I usualy go with a home team that is not playing well.

You will need to apply your own criteria with team selections but I can assure you that the system, aslong as you dont get gready and start going for bigger odds, works wonders.
By:
DaveEdwards
When: 09 Aug 10 06:34
New poster? And you knew to go straight back to Nov the find this?

OK, here's  my guess. You are the OP with a new log in and you've revised your staking plan after getting ironed out a few times with the original.

This is still madness. G/L in your search.
By:
General Midwinter
When: 12 Aug 10 08:00
Write out 1000 times:

No staking plan can overcome persistently betting at below the true odds of a given event occurring.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 12 Aug 10 11:28
General Midwinter, spot on mate, if a betting outcome has a negative expectancy, then no amount of stakes alterations will turn it into a positive one.
By:
kenilworth
When: 12 Aug 10 12:19
IMO,staking plans don't work, especially progressive like Fibonacci.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 12 Aug 10 12:48
kenilworth, Hope you are well and winning.
By:
kenilworth
When: 12 Aug 10 15:37
boxing the fox, I am well, but not winning so far this season, early days of course.
Hope you are also well, GL.
By:
scotbet
When: 14 Aug 10 17:15
Why do these threads always get hijacked with "true odds" merchants
By:
greenviking
When: 14 Aug 10 17:41
Scotbet totally agree noone knows the true odds of an event happening.Also the same event doesnt happen often enough for these so called edges to apply.Everyone thats on this thread is full of excrement
By:
DaveEdwards
When: 14 Aug 10 18:16
greenviking
 
Scotbet totally agree noone knows the true odds of an event happening.Also the same event doesnt happen often enough for these so called edges to apply.Everyone thats on this thread is full of excrement

..........................................................

I'd suggest that it is perhaps you who is full of excrement and has no idea about what they are talking about.

If I said something that you view as incorrect in my post please explain what that was.
By:
kenilworth
When: 14 Aug 10 19:03
If ''fibonacci'' worked there would be no casinos, theoretically
perfect for such staking at true odds minus commission.
By:
greenviking
When: 15 Aug 10 21:45
DaveEdwards Joined: 06 Sep 07
Replies: 5465 09 Aug 10 06:34 
New poster? And you knew to go straight back to Nov the find this?

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Yea cos thats a really complex task.How could any one manage to do that as a new poster,shocking.This post of yours proves my earlier post-youre one of many clueless fools
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