More inclined to agree with SH but both views valid

doubt it

Porto tiring here. 2-1 now

Ronaldo was really desperate for that one

Be nice to see Porto get through, Portugal league stronger than people think

0-2 Munchen after 24 minutes, classy

Nice. Dortmund and Porto are the only winners I am red on so far

0-4 Munchen and now 1-4. it's a goal fiesta

Be glad to see Atletico go out, absolute boring bas*ards

But their style makes no difference if its home or away so expect them to win the return game

No mention of Musiala who scored for Bayern tonight? 17yo born in Germany but plays for England underage, came from Chelsea academy. Maybe the Germans will try to steal him from England?

Also think Real might get done tomorrow, but not backing that Atalanta price. It's unthinkable a few years ago really to think Atalanta would be 2.34 home to Real Madrid at a time where home advantage is minimalised by no crowds. I can see a Real implosion, but it doesn't feel a great price, Atalanta are very hit and miss, capable of scoring loads, but capable of leaking some terrible goals.

Also while La Liga is getting shown up as bang average these last 2 weeks (3 home losses albeit tonight wasn't really at home). Same can be said for Serie A, Juventus lost to Porto, Lazio absolutely hammered, Inter finished bottom in the group. Didn't fare much better in the Europa League either, Napoli lost to Granada last week.

It has to be Man Citys year, and at 3/1 Im in

n88uk, what you say about Serie A clubs is fair, but the difference is the Italian clubs such as Lazio, Atalanta and Inter/AC are in a position where they haven't quite got it right yet, but have a 2 year 'window' where, if they make the right calls on recruitment, could be contenders.

With Real/Barca they are pretty much all out of options. Their best players are their oldest, they have multiple under performing ones that are on big contracts, and their finances mean competing at the high end of the transfer market will be very hard. Possibly Real might be able to screw enough cash out of their bankers and sponsors to sign Mbappe, but he could be surrounded by mediocrity. I could see Real and Barca having a lengthy spell similar to what the Milan clubs had in the 2010s. Perhaps Atletico and Sevilla will fight out the titles, but from what we've seen of them probably not contenders to go deep in the CL.

I'm glad we'll be seeing the back of the spanish dominance, I can't stand either of the two big headed clubs in Madrid and Barcelona, both need a reality check

Same goes for Man City over here as well, money driven dominance

Timothy Sherwood predicts a cricket score in city game tonight, we shall see.

Madrid skanking their way through again then?

0-1 Man City, Bernardo Silva

Good goal, but RM are still muck

Yeah, wasn't a red