let’s be honest...you gonna get a proper response whilst there are Manc fans posting on here!!!

Probably because they’ve got more plastic fans than even Manchester City .

We should be more like liverpool fans

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It is not the club that irritates, it is the fans.
They support Man Utd but a high percentage know nothing about football, or they have no interest in football outside Man Utd.
I worked with a fan in Dublin that "supported Man Utd since Munich".  That was the 1990s and he was in his early 20s.

Cos United fan boys and gloating are synonymous?

It’s not so much dislike these days I’d say it’s more pity

lol the 29 year mob as if neutrals really like them

hey mighty mouth what is your problem , youve not even told us which is your team  you infantile turd

Started hating them with a passion when they not only took Bruce...he was going anyway...but they took our captain Phelan as well..fantastic watching them sp unk their dosh on mercenaries these days

And they smashed our ground up..their hooligans were vile

it's only a game in the big scheme of things remember

It may have already been stated on here but I only got half way through the thread before writing this.

For me it's based around Alex Ferguson and his arrogance.

He continually bought proven players or players that were highly sought after (the story goes that Wenger had Ronaldo wrapped up until Ferguson gazumped him).

He paid x amount for proven quality from other teams like Ferdinand, Van Persie, Tevez, Yorke, Cole, Berbatov, Keane was poached from Forest, Rooney (again everyone knew how good he was going to be including Everton fans since he was 13) etc and then just bought foreign players for x amount until he found some that worked out. He had the best influx of youth players a manager could have had with the Class of '92.

So compared with every other team he had the best resources - like Mercedes have had in F1 over the past five years.

He is still a superb manager and imo his best ability was getting bang average footballers like O'Shea, Brown, Neville brothers, Fletcher, etc to perform almost beyond their ability through exceptional man management.

So it's the continuous poaching of other teams' best players, the amount of horrific decisions they received in their favour from officials (imagine if people analyse every game and actually shows how fewer trophies they would have won with VAR around) and the self-righteous nature of their fans despite having the best resources and the most money for x amount of years.

very well put swagger

Pretty much spot on there swagger.

Oh and also that the United fan boy is synonymous with gloating.

The class of 92 only produced Giggs, Beckham and Scholes...yes three top footballers in midfield! Similarly to Barcelona having Iniesta and Xavi from their grass roots forming a big reason why they dominated football for so long (in addition to Messi but their midfield hasn't looked any where near as strong as it used to be without Iniesta and Xavi).

So I think inheriting Giggs, Beckham and Scholes was massive. As you stated, how United hadn't exactly dominated before they came onto the scene.

I agree Blackburn bought the league which backs up my point. They were never going to sustain it as they haven't got the structure or fan base in place and Jack Walker passed away.

Chelsea have had great success over the past 15 years and without checking, they look to have really balanced the books in recent years. City spent £100 million on two full backs over the past few seasons and will not doubt spend another £80 million off on Chillwell. I don't have any respect for a club financially backed by a sovereign state.

The teams with the most resources poach the top players from rival clubs, Munich do the same in Germany. It used to be United but now they don't have the best resources like they used to.

Where did I mention Moyes would have done a better job than Ferguson!?

My point about Mercedes is that you could put pretty much any F1 driver in their cars over four of the past five years (not last year as Hamilton had the third best car imo) and their car would win the Championship.

Even back in the early days, Ferguson spunked his junk on players like Paul Ince, Gary Pallister (the latter cost over 2 million in the 1980!). Always had the resources in place.

Just stating facts.

Another one.

I get sick and tired of people from clubs saying, "well that's us, we do it the hard way".

I think Ole even said something similar after beating PSG, "well we always do it the hard way...the United way".

That arrogance just winds me up and again it's something I attribute to Manchester United as a club.

Admittedly Kompany said something similar tonight about Manchester City but it's the usual drivel you hear from former United players/representatives.

So...Liverpool did it the easy way to fall 3-0 behind against a star studded Milan side with a pretty average team themselves to somehow get it done via Penalty Shoot out?
and Chelsea did it easily when falling behind Munich with ten minutes remaining in their own back yard only to somehow get it done via penalty shoot out without JT, Ivanovic and Ramirez?

So no other team in the world faces adversity and wins apart from Manchester United.

*average net spend per season*

scandanavian_haven - my point about United having the best resources is comparatively and in proportion to other teams.

When needed over the past 30 years they have always had the ability to go out and spend big if required - when not every club has ALWAYS had that luxury with the exception of Liverpool - the latter is embarrassing for them but in reality, United are going through that same cycle now.

Manchester City are supported by a Sovereign State - they now have more resources than Manchester United but I agree that United have still spent £700 million since Ferguson retired yet Phil Jones is still starting at centre back. Pretty much says it all about the state of their recruitment.

Wenger had an advantage with the diet and fitness of his players, plus an exceptional judge of talent through his scouts - all of those advantages were copied by other teams and he had to oversee/manage the new stadium so he basically lost his edge.

Mourinho was around for around three seasons at Chelsea against United and he got the better of Ferguson by winning two league titles back to back during that time.

Liverpool only really had one proper manager against Ferguson, Rafa Benetiz and they had a good close fight which fair play Ferguson won.

When City became a threat they beat United and Ferguson to the title in the last minute.

So Barcelona only achieved when Messi started playing...perhaps it took Barcelona a long transitional period to overcome Madrid's long period of dominance due to various factors...like it took United/Ferguson. It's not as if Xavi and Iniesta played a key contribution in their country winning the World Cup and European Championships...

Chelsea and City were no where to be seen in the 1990s and United only really had to really face one decent team in most seasons.

It's not like it has been over the past three seasons. Conte, Klopp and Pep are all excellent managers proven in other top European countries.

My point about Mercedes is that they would have won four of the last five championships regardless of who was driving. Who won it out of their two drivers is irrelevant to the point that Mercedes have had the strongest car during four of those years. I remember many years ago when Mika Hakkinen was portrayed as being very average by many (I always thought he was very good) yet when he joined McLaren who arguably had the best car, he became multiple world champion.

B.Bettor.

Red Army: The largest hooligan firm in Britain
June 4, 2018

Football hooligan firms are organised groups that purposely take part in violent or other anti-social behaviour surrounding football. Frowned upon in contemporary society by most, hooliganism was at its peak in the United Kingdom during the 1970s and 1980s. Although on a smaller scale, football hooliganism remains an integral part of football culture. Hooliganism has influenced many aspects of the match going fan. For example, it is not unusual to see many fans dressed in football casual attire all over stadiums in the UK.

Manchester United’s hooligans are known as the Red Army. However, various sub-divisions of firms have been created amongst United fans due to large numbers. Some of these sub-divisions of the Red Army are known as Men in Black, the Young Munich’s, the Inter City Jibbers, the M58 Firm and the Moston Rats.

The name Red Army is often used to refer to all sections of Manchester United’s support. However, United’s more active fans were called this originally in the 1970s. The Red Army made a name for themselves in the 1974/1975 season whilst United were playing in division two. The Red Army would travel around to market towns and smaller grounds across England causing havoc. Regularly the Red Army would outnumber the home support of the team they were away to.

Manchester United are one of the biggest football clubs in the world and this has resulted in gaining a fan base from all over the world. Consequentially, this means that United have hooligans based all over the United Kingdom. Various sub-sections of the Red Army such as Cockney Reds, Coventry Reds, and Carlisle Reds have been recognised.

Traditionally, Manchester United have had more arrests made due to football-related violence than any other club in the country. In 2005, United had 160 supporters arrested for hooliganism and 100 supporters received banning orders. This is almost double any other club in the United Kingdom.

Notably, clashes between United fans and St Etienne fans in the 1977 European Cup Winners’ Cup resulted in United being forced to play a home match in Plymouth. Consequentially, due to the reputation the Red Army had developed allowed French police to be prepared for what was in store. At the time there was a bakery strike on in the UK, this resulted in the St Etienne fans throwing stale bread at United fans. This escalated in various clashes with St Etienne fans. As a result, 33 people were taken to hospital whilst police continued to escort United fans out of the stadium. The trouble resulted in United being forced to play the return leg 200km away from Old Trafford and Plymouth was the chosen venue.