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joelpina
When: 04 Apr 26 19:10
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By:
vidou
When: 05 Apr 26 00:30
Joined: 08 May 10 | Topic/replies: 4,765 | Blogger: vidou's blog
Thoughts on Salah ...?

Firstly I will say that he has absolutely earned the right to be called a Liverpool legend although there are a few above him in the real pecking order.

My own opinion was that although he was a prolific goalscorer he was also a prolific waster. Many of his goals were down to his 5 years playing with Mane and Bobby and also to a lot of creativity from midfield and down the wings.

I wish I had a quid for every time I heard 'fck sake Salah' as he cut in from the left and
a) ran into a defender
b) hit the ball straight at a defender or
c) hit Row Z

He has been in decline for well over a year now - tiny things to start with like penalty misses becoming more frequent and not being able to go past a defender with the blistering speed of his mid twenties. But lately he was a very poor shadow of his former self and we were playing with 10 men for nearly every match he played this season.

Sorry lads ...
By:
MillridgeTanic
When: 05 Apr 26 10:37
Thought until their third and successful attempt at a penalty we were the better side and lack of decent finishing cost us badly. After that, we seemed to give up and it was far too easy for City. Dreading Wednesday tbh.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 05 Apr 26 10:54
Yep, it's just that giving up again.


Remain convinced that Slot is gone in the summer. The staff know it. The players know it. Probably every other team in the league know it too. And no-one really cares about this season any more. Just fulfilling contractual obligations. We have to be one of the least fit squads in the league, look really badly coached and under-prepared in so many games. We can start games with some level of intent, can look good if we get a goal up and confidence rises, but the moment something bad happens it's just a case of "screw it, doesn't matter really."
By:
MillridgeTanic
When: 05 Apr 26 10:56
Does seem that way. Alonso gone nowhere since Madrid and waiting in the wings. As daft as it sounds, major headache, albeit a good one if they went and won the champions league. Just can't see it myself however.
By:
The Dragon
When: 05 Apr 26 11:21
psg at 1.8 on wednesday looks a gift
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 05 Apr 26 11:27
yep. Already backed them -2 & -3. They'll want to get the job done. And they're the kind of team (and so are we to allow them) to do it.
By:
loui
When: 05 Apr 26 22:37
We’re 18 in premiership for yards covered, say no more. Down tools.
By:
MillridgeTanic
When: 08 Apr 26 22:17
That was a tough watch. Could've been any score tbf and couldn't have complained if either penalty claim was given. Thought they were both nailed on pens. Anyways, still in with a squeak and usually would think there's a chance 2 behind going back to Anfield 2nd leg but just can't see it against these. Hope they prove me wrong.
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 08 Apr 26 22:20
we need to get the first goal at anfield, earlyish too. then hope psg freeze like rabbits in the headlights
By:
MillridgeTanic
When: 08 Apr 26 22:22
Would be nice ttt
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 09 Apr 26 07:51
We lost 2-0 with ten men behind the ball, closing down space. We open up to them next week and commit men forwards and they'll rip us to bits imo.
By:
loui
When: 09 Apr 26 08:00
2-0 was a good result could have been a lot worse, when psg lose the ball they swarm all over you and 9 times out of 10 come away with the ball. We tried hard , but we have to accept better team than us by a long way atm
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 09 Apr 26 13:15
in the words of Mo Salah..... NEVER GIVE UP !
By:
unclepuncle
When: 27 Apr 26 15:42
Well things couldn’t have gone much better in terms of results for the last two weeks with three wins for us and all our rivals for fluffing their lines.

However the three PL performances were more of the same garbage where the luck was definitely on our side
Three difficult games to come but even three defeats should still have us in 5th with a home game against Brentford on the last day,

Hopefully Slot is still on his way out - if not I foresee a Ten Hag type situation come October.Cry
By:
unclepuncle
When: 16 May 26 11:37
Really shows how bad things are when you have to scroll halfway down page 2 to find this thread.Laugh

Well as usual my last post was prescient and we know need Brighton and Bournemouth to slip up as there is zero chance we get anything against Brentford the way we are playing.

No idea how there is any discussion about whether Slot stays for next season. If they don’t bin him (preferably before the Brentford) then it will be the worst deriliction of corporate governance since the BBC allowed Jimmy Saville to have kids in his dressing room.Shocked

I’ll be cheering on Brighton and Bournemouth this week so the idiots get what they deserve.Devil
By:
duffy
When: 16 May 26 15:14
I do think there needs to be a stewards enquiry into the apparent dereliction of duty by the Liverpool fans on this thread, United have been sh1te for years but the thread wouldn't drop off the first page, plenty of fans happy to come on to say it how it isGrin

It's all a far cry from the pre season when everyone on here was debating how far Liverpool was going to win it by with the arrival of all the new superstarsDevilWink
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 16 May 26 15:38
the new superstars have barely played together. My main concern is that the bench is very light, no strength in depth.The FA cup is really the Strength in Depth Cup,hence either Man city or Chelsea reaching the last 10 finals.
By:
duffy
When: 16 May 26 15:55
Wirtz looks a little lightweight for the EPL and will need plenty of bodies around him to fully prosper.
Isak was someone you came back to after initially giving up on him and appears to be a bit of a crock.
Ekitike blows hot and cold and could still go either way, a really top class striker or a Nunez.
Frimpong is hopeless, certainly as a fullback anyway.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 May 26 18:02
Season just leaking to an end.

Main thing is the signings just haven't worked at all.

I've got my issues with Slot. Mainly the style of play (was saying last night how we've essentially taken everything that Klopp ever stood for, and simply abandoned it completely. As if it was just wrong), his seeming blindspots for some players and the mentality in the squad and how we seem to have just accepted this season and how defeat has become so acceptable. The team reminds me now of any of the Utd teams in the last dozen years or so. No real identity, no real methodology. Just go out out there, hope things fall our way, and maybe a moment of magic will get us the points.

And yet, my mate sent me a post which called him an imposter in the first sentence and I'm not having that. He won the league last season. He's clearly not an imposter. The only real question is whether he can turn it round.

Personally I don't think he can. It's all very similar to Starmer now. If he lasts the summer, the fans will be on his back at the first defeat next season. A huge number have made their minds up. The insipid play, the defeatist attitudes... There are plenty of excuses to be made, but this has been an extremely weak EPL, and we've massively under-performed.


But that's only Slot. And you can't blame the signings on him. Kerkez looks fine to me. Not as good as Robbo, but who ever will be. Our best ever. But he looks good and will improve. Ekitike looks good at times. Still young, and as long as this awful injury doesn't leave lasting damage he should go on to be a star. But the rest?

That keeper? There's not a fan in the land who'd pick him above Kelleher. The warning signs were there in Spain when he was garbage after the move to us was announced.
I don't know what Frimpong is but he's definitely not a full back. Not convinced he's a footballer at all.
Wirtz is just ridiculously slow. Not now, but when I was younger, I'd have ripped him in a foot race, and I'm not a hugely-rewarded athlete. To be fair, he contributes generally and there's a player there if the set up is right, but huge questions still.
And Isak is just a crock. It's just Harry Kewell all over again. Except this time we really didn't need to buy him. We needed a flexible replacement for Jota and Diaz who could cover across the front line. Instead we threw Elliott out the door and got in a specialist #9 to compete with the other specialist #9.

I'd love Edwards to come out and explain that one in particular. But if I was watching on from Boston, my main questions would be aimed at Edwards and the other guy to make sure I'm confident in giving them another suitcase full of money to chuck at Germany for some weird misfits who are only available for a quarter of the season.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 16 May 26 18:11
I'm not sure slot abandoned klopp, I suspect he
didn't fully grasp it, and klopp was genius.

So there's got to be a problem once you change the staff.

Klopp system was implemented by staff, regardless, so won title, and now
between systems it isnt working.

Even more slot, less klopp, next season, and he's got to
make it work,
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 May 26 20:20
No, I get that.

Each manager has their own philosophy, but the good ones adapt. I'll always give Rodgers credit for that great season. We all knew his style was for a big number nine to play off, but we had Suarez and Sturridge. To his credit maybe he just saw the quality and thought to forget his etbos and just play to the strengths of the players.

imo, the best managers do that.

That weird Portuguese guy at Utd refused to do that and failed badly.

Slot last season did do it. He didn't change too much, and there was little difference in our play to the season before. But last summer we made a lot of changes and he just decided to change our style completely. And even after it was clear very early on that it wasn't working, we still haven't changed. We look less fit, less strong and less fast than just about every opponent we are on the pitch with. And you can't get away with that in this country. Running and fighting is the bare minimum. You earn the right to allow your better players to show their quality and win the games, but Slot just doesn't seem to grasp that.
By:
tobermory
When: 16 May 26 21:27
give Rodgers credit for that great season. We all knew his style was for a big number nine to play off, but we had Suarez and Sturridge

wouldn't have thought that was Rodgers style Confused from what I recall he couldn't get Andy Carroll out the door quick enough...
By:
tobermory
When: 16 May 26 21:46
re Slot

A year ago I came across some Liverpool fans debating whether Slot should 'go on the banner' at the Kop. A couple were saying "hang on a minute, great season, but it's just one year". But they got shouted down:"He won us a title!, that's the criteria".

I don't know if they put Slot on their famous banner, but if they did and he gets sacked next week it will be weird to see him on there in years to come alongside Paisley, Klopp et al

Having said that though it seems harsh the way Slot is now perceived. In the 2024 title race it seemed like the last chance for the great Klopp team, they fell short and then there would be a 2 year rebuild before they could challenge again. So the Slot title was really unexpected.

Recently when I have seen Liverpool fans talking in comment threads the 2024/25 season has been retconned and is now 'Klopp's 2nd title', with Slot a guy who just happened to be there.

Also the calmness that was seen as a strength last season is now used to say Slot is not up to it. He was incredibly low key when they were surging to the title, in contrast to Klopp who was hyped and exultant even when his team had won a game a bit fortuitously. Now Slot has the same low key demeanour in the aftermath of draws and defeats and they are saying "how can we win when the manager is like that?!", as if they didn't win last year!
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 May 26 22:59
yeah, there'd be a bit of the Liz Truss about him, winning and then getting binned off.



Realistically, he deserves another season. If he'd got a CL place and then won the league, we'd all be ecstatic. He should obviously get another year to tell us which one of those seasons was the fairer reflection, But the momentum is massively against him and it's really difficult to turn that round.

I think one of the big problems is modern social media, and those one minute clips we doomscroll through. I'm constantly seeing clips of Bobby, Mo and Sadio at their peak just ripping teams to shreds and it feels like five minutes ago. To go from that to this is really stark and shines a real strong spotlight on the state of our play. Never mind the poor results, the attitude and defeatism. If it was Rodgers-esque, where we were trying to do exciting things but couldn't keep the door closed, at least that'd be something, but this is just the worst of both worlds. It's safety first football that isn't even achieving safety. And the big problem for Slot is it's been like that all season, and it looks like he's the only guy around who can't see it.


But still, my bigger issue is with Edwards and the other guy. Football relies on players more than tactics. A good squad can overcome bad organisation with its quality. We need to understand how they got last summer so badly wrong and learn the lessons before giving the exact same people even more money to do it all over again.
By:
duffy
When: 16 May 26 23:05
^
Great posts.

Do you agree with something I heard some journo say on a pod the other day that the new signings from last summer would work in the exact way that Alonso would want to play.?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 16 May 26 23:10
You can obviously say that Frimpong would probably improve as he played under him. Not too sure about the rest as I don't particularly know Alonso's style as being distinctive from most others. But just look at your lot. You can change a manager, keep the same players and see an improvement simply because the new guy just reads the room better and finds a system that suits the current set of players.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 17 May 26 00:13
There's not much at Liverpool this season that has functioned as required.

But it's also the case that previously when the title was
gone the performances eased.

Under the cosh they manned up and won.

Another season will be revealing
By:
The Dragon
When: 17 May 26 07:33
Alonso is going to chelskiCry we missed out there he wd have a great replacement for slot. Looks like weve got him for another yearCrazy
By:
loui
When: 17 May 26 08:19
Or till October maybe
By:
Wesdag
When: 17 May 26 11:44
I think once Mo goes, he'll probably steady the ship without that negativity floating around.

It's incredible to think he's suddenly forgotten how to manage having won the EPL in his first season.
By:
duffy
When: 17 May 26 11:59
Dragon,
You might still get Alonso, if he goes to Chelsea he may go the same way as the rest and be out the door just in time to take over from Slot when he gets the boot by Xmas.Grin

The Slot situation feels very much like the ETH one to me, they are going to give him longer but we all really think it's going to fail, so on that basis why don't they just go and get Alonso now it would reinvigorate the fan base and have the club going into next season on a positive note.
By:
duffy
When: 17 May 26 12:05
why didn't they get Alonso that should have saidShocked
By:
The Dragon
When: 17 May 26 12:11
spot on duffy, i hope we get rid of slot af get xavi eventually. i cant see how we progress with slot in chrge - he has to go
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 17 May 26 12:46
Maybe Alonso wants to live in Cobham
By:
loui
When: 17 May 26 14:52
His removal people are on speed dial recently
By:
unclepuncle
When: 28 May 26 16:33
All quiet on the North Western front.LaughLaughLaugh

So we need a new manager, new goalkeeper, two new right backs, two new left backs, two new holding midfielders, a new left winger a new right winger and two new strikers.

We need to sell Kerkez, Frimpong, VVD, Konate, Gravenbach, McAllister, Gapko.

Curtis Jones’s seems determined to leave if Slot stays and the only player we don’t want to change is Sloz but given he won’t sign a new contract we have to sell him rather than let him go on a free next summer. So then we will need another two normal midfielders - though I guess Elliot might fill one hole.

Can’t wait for Betfair to open the markets on Top 4 and Top 6 so I can lay the arse off us.Devil
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 30 May 26 12:35
Slot slotted
By:
loui
When: 30 May 26 12:44
Had to happen really, Iraola hot favourite
By:
Wesdag
When: 30 May 26 13:06
First Pep now Slot - another manager Arteta has seen off.Cool

Inevitable he had to go tbf with decent options suddenly available.
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